hindi, Dpat Po Lourd, Ibigti Sya Kagaya Ni hudas

Teka teka... anu namn ang rason nya at bakit magulang ko ang pag ttripan nya...wala akong pakealam sa gusto nyang gawin wag lng ung makaka apekto saken o sa pamilya ko...tska mas nakakinis namn tlga kung mga media makkisama sa problema na yun

Polytheism yun. Una: Ang larawan ni Jesus the Annointed, ikalawa nakatayong ari ng lalake ang patron image ni Shiva ng mga Hindu. http://www.exoticindiaart.com/article/shivalinga/

Sana, yung iba, sumuri muna bago magalit. Nakakapagtakang isipin na kung sino ang walang alam si art, e sila pa ang nauunang magsalita, na dapat sana'y naging imperative muna.

tama ka nga naman pareng lourd maraming problema ang pilipinas bakit inu-ungkat pa ng senado ang simpleng gawa cruz eh inde naman sila mabubuntis ng mga molaveng hugis t*t* ni cruz diba pwera na lang kung nanggagahasa ng 9yrs old na bata yung obra ni cruz wala lang magawa ang mga taotauhan nating sa senado at congreso kaya napagtritripan nila ang simpleng likha ng sing' kung ako sa kanila kausapin nalang nila ang kalyo nila sa paa para may pag libangan silrn

Mideo, maiba nmn trip mo magplunking ka kaya sa tuktok ng statue of liberty. rock en roll un. hahaha.

hayaan niyo na si mideo cruz, gusto niya lang sumikat, ng sandali.. nakuha na niya siguro yon.

blasphemous!rn

puting a d*ck on someone's face doesn't necessarily make you an artist. ahahahaha. it's really so funny. mideo just wants to remembered ... etc. do something epic. get famous. etc. public stunt. Art and Religion don't mix, they're like oil and water. rnFreedom of expression -- comes with responsibility. Whatever happens to mideo.. It is his responsibility. I don't care whether people cut off his balls. In this world, POST AT YOUR OWN RISK. rnbut then again, he calls it "His Art". Bahala na ang diyos sa kanta. rnrnpero just think of this... kung ang mukha mo ba ang ginanyan... tama pa ba yun? art and ethics or ethics can mix. rnand freedom is not a license to do whatever you want. not to mention, putting a d*ck on someone's face. It was mideo's choice to express himself that kind of way. If he thinks what he did is right.. he better fight for it.. live through it. and if he won't, he's nothing but a gay-ass wanna -be-famous artist.

Wag tignan kung ayaw makita, wag pansinin kung sa tingin ay walang katuturan

BILIB AKO SAYO MIDEO CRUZ... HANGA AKO SA MGA SA MASTERPIECE MO IPINAPAKITA MO LNG ANG TUNAY NA KAHULUGAN NG MGA GAWA MO SA LIKOD NG MGA LARAWAN NA YUN... DAPAT YUNG MGA BUMABATIKOS SYO EH SILA ANG IPAKO SA ULO SA KRUS... WAG KA PAPA APEKTO SA MGA BALIW NA BUMABATIKOS SAYO, SILA ANG TUNAY NA BALIW SA KATOTOHANAN,, MGA TUNAY NA BULAG AT NAPAKA DILIM NG ISIP... MADILIM PA SA DILIMAN NG QUEZON CITY.. GUD JOB PARE...

@madirigma tungkol sa panli2mos/abuloy sa simbahan.lucas.6:38 mangagbigay kayo,atkayoy bibigyan ;takal na mabuti,sik2,lig2@umaapaw,ay ibi2gay nila s inyong kandungan. malakias.3:10dalhin ninyo ang buong ikasampung bahagi sa kamalig,upang magkaroon ng pagkain sa aking bahay,at subukin ninyo ako ngayon sa bagay na ito,sabi ng dios ng mga hukbo,kung hindi ko bubuksn s inyo ang mga dungawan sa langit,at ihuhulog ko sa inyo ang isang pagpapala,na walang sapat na silid na kalalagyan. kawikaan11:24 may nagsabog,at tumutubo pa,at may humahawak naman ng higit kay sa karampatan,ngunitnauuwi lamang sa pangangailangan..verse 25 ang kaluluwang mapagbigay ay tataba;at siyang dumidilig ay madidilig din.

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simple lang yan eh..TIGILAN NA TOH..pinasara na ehh..

alam nman natin na hindi tlga imahe ni jesus christ ang nasa krus.dahil katha lang ni da vinci ang itsura niya.so ano ang kinagagalit ng mga religious people na yan??rnrnhalimbawa. pinaglaruan ang picture ng isang tao at sinabing "tol pinaglaruan ang picture ng tatay mo."magagalit ka ba?eh in the 1st place hindi nmn yun ang tatay mo??

Kanya-kanyang "PANUKUYAN" lang yan!rnAng pinaka naging mali lang dito para sa'kin e, naging dahilan ng mga away at debate. ayun lang!

@ cel1916 ASTEEEG KA!!!!! hahahahaha

Mideo Cruz abused his freedom of expression. Obviously, for me, his exhibit is for the CBCP. Instead of using Jesus Christ's image(really, it is disrespectful not just on Catholics but also on other believers of Christ), he should use the portrait of those interloper bishops. It is more audacious act and direct to the point.

hindi ako fan ng religion at hindi rin ako fan ni mideo cruz, pero ganto ang stand ko diyan..rnrnkelangan bang mag public apology si mideo?rnrnHinde! karapatan niya yun!rnrnmasasabi mo bang art yung gawa niya?rnrndepende kung ano ang pananaw mo sa art.. sakin yung gawa ni mideo eh cheap shot low blow against a specific religion.rnrnang analysis?rnrntagumpay si mideo! yun naman ang gusto niya, mapansin at mapagusapan ang gawa niya... eh pinatulan ng mga mababaw na senador at religious leaders.. edi tagumpay si mokong.. walang art na involve dito, pero ginamit niya ang "art" niya na obviously kayang gawin nang 3 years old with a christ statue and a box of condom.. the point is, ito ang gusto niyang mangyari at nangyari nga, nabadtrip ang maraming tao, at napagusapan, nakiliti ang mga nakakahon nilang isip at nagkasubukan.. so good for mideo.rnrn

RELIHIYON?? Isang malaki at matatag na NEGOSYO!! Mag-mula sa katoliko hanggang sa muslim..... mag-mula kay eli soriano hanggang kay mike velarde! Cge nga i-hanap nyo ko ng relihiyon na hindi nangongolekta ng TONG, DONASYON, ABULOY, o kahit anong l*ch* pa ang itawag nyo sa PERA na kinokolekta at tinatanggap nila?? Kung ang mga ARTIST eh hindi nakikialam sa mga ka tarataduhan ng simbahan, sana ganun din ang simbahan sa mga ARTIST! Mga SIR, PADRE, OBISPO! RESPETO lang ng konti sa kapwa tao! Hindi kayo ang diyos!

mabuti hindi nya ininsulto ni Mideo Cruz ang mga Muslim katulad sa nangyari sa isang dyaryo sa Denmark na binastos nila ang imahe ni Mohammad. Kung ginaya niya yon, malaman may magtatanim ng bomba sa loob ng CCP na galing sa Abu Sayaff o Jamiyyah Islamiyah.

sabi mo, "Bakit ba mas nagre-react tayo sa nakikinita nating Satanismo?"rnrn..at hindi sa nararanasan nating kahirapan dulot ng mga mala-demonyong lider..?hahaha baka nga kasi SANAY na ang mga tao doon..rnrndiba gusto nga nila i-legalize ang jueteng kasi "DI NA MASUGPO"? ayun, same f*cking logic siguro. kasi sanay na tayo sa mga kabulastugan ng gobyerno kaya parang ipis na lang ito sa paningin ng tao..pero yang ganyang pasabog ni Mideo Cruz e parang new specie ng giant speaking ipis.rnrn...

bago tayo mag komento at mag sabi ng kung ano ano.. cgurado ba tayong c jesus ang nasa sining ni mideo cruz?????..

Kapag ipinako sa krus si Mideo Cruz, isama mo na rin Sir Lourd yung mga panot na obispo dito sa pinas. Bakit ang o-OA nila???? Freedom is freedom......pag may limit ang freedom, hindi na freedom un mga hunghang na pari. Besides, we have different beliefs and kung ayaw nilang may makasamang ibang relihiyon sa Planetang Earth, ibenta mo na lang sa kanila Sir Lourd yang Crazy mong planeta. and lastly, Art is a matter of appreciation, kung 'di maapreciate ng CBCP un, e di wag nilang tignan.... eto last na talaga, WALANG VIOLATED RULES si MIDEO...hinahanapan lang siya ng butas....

BASAHIN NATEN MULI kung di nyo naiintindihan ang sinASABE!!!!!rnrnbUKSAN ANG ISIP, SUBUKAN NYO ALAM KO MAHIRAP PERO KUNG SUSUBOK KAYO WALANG MAWAWALA...

"Kung tunay ngang siya’y wala sa tamang pag-iisip, eh bakit pa papatulan ang baliw?" good point Lourd!!! getcha mo sila!!

ano ba naman itong spot at kung saan-saan na lang kumukuha ng writer. we deserve more than lourd.

wow tagal kong hinintay tong post na to. wasak talaga

imagine lourd. mahal na mahal mo ang tatay mo. nirerespeto mo sya ng buong buhay mo. close na close kayo. biniyayaan ka nya ng psp, ipod, macbook at kung anu-anong kapritso mo. tapos isang araw, naglalakad ka sa isang medyo secluded hall ng isang mall. andun ang isang iskultura ng mukha ng tatay mo, may condom sa ilong, at ginawang katatawanan para makita ng publiko. ang mahal mong tatay, kinutya ng isang mokong na walang pakialam sa rules. ako hindi ako titigil hangga't hindi ko nasasaktan yung gumawa noon. ikaw ba, ano kayang gagawin mo?

ang akin lang mga tsong, kung sino walang nagawang mali e sya ang unang pumukol ng bato, kung tingin mo e masyado kang malinis sige lang pumalag ka, pero kung wala kang alam sa sining aba tol steady ka na lng muna, magmumuka ka lang tanga, ngawa ka ng ngawa wala k naman pla alam, tama ang sinabi ni mr. De Veyra, rnAng isang kahoy na t*t* sa noo ng isang imahen ay hindi gugutom at papatay sa mga batang iskwater. Mas malala ba ang “blasphemous” na sining kesa sa mga tarantandong politikong nagnanakaw ng pera mo?rnrnyan pre npakadaling intindihin, wag ka epokrito at pa intelektwal,. rn

Astig!!! Wasak na wasak. Madaming mga kabataan ngayon gaya ng mga kaklase ko ngayun na walang paki'elam sa bayan at pag may pumutok na balita gaya ng "Poleteismo" ni Cruz ay pilit nakiki'elam, 'to siguro ang sanhi ng pakikining sa kanta ni Justin Bieber.

Ang haba na ng usapang ito... Kung saan saan na napunta ang usapan. Bumalik na lang tayo sa tunay na topic ng usapang ito. Ang Installation ni Cruz.- Aaminin ko nakakaoffend pero may magagawa ba ako sa ginawa nyang pag babastos sa imahe ni Kristo??? - WALA!! May magagawa ba ako dahil pumayag ang CCP na ipalabas ang mga "art expressions" nya??? WALA!! May kahihinatnan ba kung papatayin ko sya mamaya pag labas nya ng bahay nya??? WALA - Ipagdadasal ko na lang sya...Pero isang bagay lang ang sigurado ako. Bahala na ang Diyos sa kanya.

Enough is enough! Many among us, including LOURD are projecting to be someone who is knowledgeable in art. While it is true we appreciate FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, but we also have to remember that real artists practice a thing called CODE OF ETHICS. Unfortunately MIDEO CRUZ violated one or more of these guidelines.rnrnUSING OTHER'S IMAGES. Commonly, a seasoned artist will seek permission from the beholder of the image, or any authority of the society, religion or organization represented by the image.rnrn. rnrn

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Ang masasabi ko sa gawa ni Mideo ay hindi uri ng sining. Ito ay uri na "Vandalismo". Ang tunay na alagad ng sining ay dapat sensitibo. Ang kanyang obra ay dapat wala sa pampublikong lugar na tulad ng CCP, dapat ito ay nasa pribadong lugar na ang makakakita ay ang mga tulad niya, na may kaparehas na paniniwala. Hands-off ako sa lakas ng loob nya isapubliko ito. Kaya sang-ayon ako na tawaging "Immature" ang obra ni Mideo Cruz.

My Dear Mr. De Veyra,rnrnI'm again throwing my few cents worth into your article about Art, Religion and Speech. Yes, I can read Filipino, not that good but after the fifth attempt, I think I get what you were trying to say. I have a feeling that the whole Mideo Cruz-CCP-Poleteismo episode brought out the "artist/poet/activist" in you as evidenced by the various arguments you have ventured forth in your article.rnrnAllow me to get to where we (obviously) disagree...rnrnIn your comments on "ARGUMENTO: Paano kung may kumuha ng picture ng magulang mo at biglang sinalpakan ng kahoy na t*t* at mga gamit na condom?" I have to point out the difference between a picture of a person and a picture of a devotional subject. The former has limited meaning outside a person's family and circle of friends. While the latter has meaning to the religionists who consider the picture of a devotional subject as important. And it is how you answered this first "Argumento" betrays your biases. I gather that there is a high possibility that you are intolerant of religion and I dare say it, especially intolerant of the Christian religion and to a much lesser extent of Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Ang Cultural Center of the Philippines ay isang pampublikong institusyon na pinopondohan ng buwis ng taumbayan. At hindi dapat ginagamit para sa kung ano-anong kabulastugan na tutuligsa sa pinakasagradong sentimiyento ng mga tao." >> Wow! was that a hint of some brain cells at work? You are right, being a government-owned and taxpayer-funded institution, the CCP is accountable ultimately to the taxpayer and in this case CCP it seems was a vehicle or even enabler for offending the religious sensibility of majority of the taxpayer base.rnSurely a "artist/poet/activist" of your caliber can see this simple fact. You should have taken this opportunity to argue that if CCP will continue to push the frontiers of art dialogue in the Philippines, the Mideo Cruz incident is a great opportunity to privatize the CCP and continue its critical cultural mission without pressure from angered taxpayers who have every right to complain as their hard-earned taxes are funding something that offends their religious sensibilities. But naturally this point escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind and instead point out that a movie featuring Gael Garcia Bernal with equally offensive religious material was not treated with the same attention as Poleteismo.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Ang naturang pambabastos ba ay magpapabagsak sa matatag na institusyon ng Iglesia Katolika?" >> Again you missed the point. The Christian/Catholic nature of the offending art by Mr. Cruz is a mere indicental, the real nature of Mr. Cruz's shock art is to attach religion/personal belief itself. Mr. Cruz chose to target the Christian religion for the attention (in a predominantly Christian country, this is hard to miss) and the fact that when you offend Christians they complain in largely civilized manner as compared to, say, Muslims or Jews (well the Philippines has no ADF or Simon Wiesenthal Center so you won't know how this works). You go on to cite atheists, John Lennon and communists as those who sought to offend religion. I have to add one more group that you conveniently did not cite, the Nazis. Yes, the Nazis offended the Jews in the 20th century and such was their hatred of Judaism and even Christianity (despite Hitler being raised Catholic) was that millions were stripped of their rights, turned into slaves then killed en masse. All because a few intolerant elite did not like Jews and Christians. Lets add here the Soviets which outlawed religion in Russia or Karl Marx, someone you quote quite liberally, who despite being a Jew was a rabid anti-semite and its no wonder why in Soviet Russia and East Germany--two states that adopted Marxism full blast--Jews were frequently persecuted. My point is intolerance of religion ends up in these inhuman conclusions. Please be cultivate a more civilized dissent on religion.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Kalayaan ng pamamahayag vs. tahasang pambabastos sa paniniwala ng mas nakakarami?" >> Again you missed the opportunity to open a discussion on Constitutionally-guaranteed free speech and religion and instead reverted to your psudo-intellectual elitetism by bungling a quote from a deranged anti-semite whose political philosophy was responsible for a few billion people enslaved and hundred million deaths in the 20th century. (FYI Marx did not say "religion is the opium of the masses" but "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.") What you should have argued (and this is not exclusive) is that while free speech is a right it is possible to offend unintentionally or otherwise and it is via active dialogue in society these views are debated and discussed. Maybe you could have defended why speech may or may not have limits? Or what constitutes speech? For instance, lets take animal crush videos, these are those sick videos where young puppies or cats are being crushed by a person's foot until they die. It is sickening to be sure but a recent US Supreme Court ruled (and it was led by the conservatives in the court) animal crush videos, while disturbing, are still legal and should form part of the right to free speech. Why? because any power by the state to limit such is the same as an arbitrary power by the state to, in fact, place a limit to speech and thought itself. Hence we must conclude that while Mr. Cruz has every right to do his shock art, he should also be mindful of the consequences of his art. Why? because ideas, Sir, have consequences.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Hindi puputok ang kontrobersyang ito kung hindi pinalaki ng media." >> Yes. Media loves scandal but not goody-goody stories. Now why is that?rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Kelangan pa ba ng senate investigation para sa isyung ito?"rn>> Well, my dear Mr. De Veyra, maybe it escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind but the Senate can take up any topic under the sun. That's the way its rules are structured. Also, since the Senate also scrutinizes the budget of the CCP, it simply can't help itself but to interfere.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Censorship ba ang nangyari sa exhibit sa CCP?" >> Let's see, the CCP voluntarily shut the exhibit down as it caved into public pressure. Did a government agency or official order them to shut it down? No. Did they agree to re-open the exhibit without Mr. Cruz's offending art? No. I think the censorship you are referring to is more of an illusion than something that can be justified by the facts.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Is it good art or bad art?" >> At least you got this somewhat right. But inconveniently for the psudo-intellectuals, the National Artist F. Sonil Jose alluded to it being uncivilized when he called it "immature".rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Subukan niya kayang gawin 'yan sa mga Muslim, kay Mohammed at Allah? Tingnan natin kung hindi siya pugutan ng ulo." >> Aha! good point! and why is that? why is the anti-religion object of shock art always Christians? Of course your answer was a classic cop-out "Bawal ang mga imahe at lahat ng representasyon ng mga buhay na bagay sa Islam. Pansinin ang mga drawings sa Islamic art-puro patterns at kulay lang." You forget that Muslims forbid the mere drawing of the face of Mohammed and this was the basis for the Danish cartoon incident a few years back. How about the movie Fitna? where the movie showed how quotes from the Quran is inconsistent with violence in the Muslim world. Or what about the movie Submission, which showed the treatment of women in Islam? The director was gunned-down in broad daylight and the star (Ayaan Hirsi Ali) was persecuted? As an "artist/poet/activist" shouldn't you speak out about this when talking about this topic? Like I said, you coped-out.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?" >> Well forgiveness starts with discernment then realization then admission. Nest is forgiveness and then restitution. So has Mr. Cruz even started any discussions with those he offended? or even recognized those he offended?rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Bakit hindi tayo ganito kabangis mag-react sa ibang bagay? Gaya ng mabagal na pag-usad ng Ampatuan Massacre trial? Gaya ng mga patong-patong na kaso ni GMA at asawa niya? Gaya ng sunod-sunod na nauungkat na kabulastugan sa PAGCOR? " >> Good point. Maybe you should lead the move to convince your fellow Filipinos not to vote the same oligarchs and landed politicians and their families in power. Maybe if you just took time to realize that solving or even starting to change the political system in the Philippines does not start by voting as President a scion of a powerful political clan. My dear Mr. De Veyra, it does not matter how smart you are unless you stop and think.rnrnrnBest,rnrnF. Bastiatrn

IGNORANTE LANG TALAGA ANG MGA PINOY...PATI ANG SIMBAHANG KATOLIKA AY IGNORANTE MISMO...DAKDAK NG DAKDAK, WLA NAMANG GINAGAWA KUNDI MANGHINGI NG SUV SA PCSO...HAY NAKU...!rn

mana indio bumamabalik na si padre damaso...

Akala ko sa una original itong Lourd na ito, akala ko noon genuine ang taong ito, eh olopongis din pala ang baluga na ito, shobiz din pala ang tukmol na to na maka Tita Cory din. Yuck!

good point. laki sa respeto mga pinoy. pero iba sa atin na-inherit na ang american arrogance. basta gawa sa US, feeling nila tama parati at ipaglalaban ito no matter how foolish it appears. hintayin mo na lang magkaroon ng mass suicide sa mga ito kasi nagiging uso sa US iyan. i am certain these fools will do what is "uso" dito sa US.

Mga impokrito. Talinu-talinuhan. Sino ba nagsabi sa inyo kasi na tungkol sa diyos yung exhibit? Para yun sa inyo, mga impokrito. Yang mga baluktot na na pananaw nyo sa diyos ang tinutuligsa. Yan ang problema sa mga tumitingin ng "Sining" na hindi handang mag-isip. Respeto? Eh bakit ang reaksyon mo, karispe-rispeto ba? Tumal, tingnan mo muna ng awto ko at ng mga ka-brad ko sa CBCP, bago ka ngumakngak dyan. Mamaya na lang ulit at nag-aantay si Sister. Siyesta time muna kami. Shot pa!

Doon sa sinabi mong "rnARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?rnrnKala ko rin eh.rn"rnrnNakita mo bang may humabol kay mideo at pinugutan ng ulo. WALA. Kasi nga. Mga Kristyano tayo. Nag uunawa at nag papatawad. Pero sana naman makita yon ni mideo at bigyan tayo ng respeto.

jesus is not a dead god.he lives and rules through his body.the only church he instituted here on earth,it is the holy spirit that guides the church as he promised by our lord.evil can never overtake her.the of hells' 'wolves w/sheeps clothing(matt7:15)tried their best to kill her always in different forms but mostly political or religious:cesar&nero in rome,napoleon in france,henryvIII in england,carl marx&lenin in russia,m.luther in germany,mao in china.list of persecutors goes on.the political powers.perished.the anti-catholic churches were broken into pieces.they all kept but one dream:"destroy catholicism"."the gates of hell will not prevail against it"(matt16:18)

day one novena winika ng ating panginoon kay sta.faustina ,"ngayong araw na ito dalhin mo sa akin ang lahat ng tao,lalo't higit ang mga makasalanan,at sila'y ilubog sa karagatan ng aking awa.sa ganitong pamamaraan ay mabibigyan mo ako ng kaaliwan sa harap ng matinding kalungkutan na idinudulot sa akin ng mga kaluluwang 'di nakaliligtas. day four winika ng panginoong hesus kay sta. fautina "ngayong araw na ito dalhin sa akin ANG HINDI NANINIWALA SA AKIN at yaong 'di pa ako nakakakilala sa akin.sila'y naaalala ko rin nang sandali ng aking paghihirap at ang gagawin nilang pagkilala sa akin sa hinaharap ay ang siyang naka-aliw sa aking puso. day five....winika ng panginoong hesus kay sta. faustina "ngayong araw na ito dalhin mo sa akin ang mga kaluluwa ng mga kahiwalay na kapatid at ilubog mo sila sa karagatan ng aking pagka-awa. noong sandali ng aking paghihirap sinira nila ang aking katawan at puso,iyan ang aking simbahan.nang sila ay bumalik at nakiisa sa aking simbahan,ang aking mga sugat ay naghilom at gumaling,at sa ganoon nabawasan ang aking mga paghihirap ..

novena to the divine mercy written by sta.faustina kowalska.sept.13,1935hiniling ng panginoon hesus kay sta.faustina na"sumulat at magsalita hinggil sa aking awa..ang kapistahang ito ay nagbuhat sa pinakamalambot kong pagkahabag at yaon ay pinatotohanan sa kaibuturan ng aking awa.(1st sun. after easter)winika ng panginoong hesus kay sta. faustina.sa lumang batas ay nagsugo ako ng mga propeta kasama ang kidlat at kulog sa aking bayan ngayong araw na 'to isinusugo kita lakip ang aking awa sa buong sangkataunhan.'di ko nais parusahan ang naghihirap na sangkatauhan,kundi ninais kong pagalingin ito sa pamamagitan ng paglapit nito sa aking maawaing puso.ang kaparusahan ay ginagamit kokapag sila mismo ang pumipilit sa 'kin nito,mabigat ang loob kong hinahawakan ang tabak ng katarungan.bago ang araw ng katarungan ay ipadadala ko ang araw ng awa(v.155) bayaan kilanlin ng buong sangkatauhan ang aking 'di matarok na awa.ito ay isang palatandaan para sa mga huling panahon; pagkaraan nito ang araw ng katarungan ay sasapit.samantalang may panahon pa ay bayaang dumulog sila sa bukal ng aking awa,ako''y higit na mapagbigay sa mga makasalanan kaysa matuwid.dahil sa kanila'y bumaba ako sa lupa.alang-alng sa kanila ay nagbuhos ako ng dugo.'wag mangambang lumapit sa akin,kailangan nilang higit ang aking awa ...'di ako makapagpaparusa maging siya man ang pinakamakasalanan.kapag siya'y dumulog sa aking pagkahabag,sapagkay siya'y aking bibigyangkatuwiran sa aking walang hanggan .at walang mali na awa ..bago ako dumating bilang hukom na makatarungan,ay una kong binuksan ng maluwang ang pintuan ng aking awa.ang sinumang tumangging dumaan sa pintuan ng aking awa at dapat dumaan sa pamamagitan ng pintuan ng aking mapaghiganting katarungan4,30;3,39).

Mahirap sabihin kung ano talaga ang gusto ipahiwatig ni Mr. Cruz. Pero sana man lang ipinakita nya sa obra nya yun respekto nya sa paniniwala ng nakakarami. Lahat naman ng Pilipino eh tinuruan ng kanilang mga Magulang na i-respekto ang ibang tao o paniniwala . . .

etoh may mag reklamo kaya dito sa event na ito? http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=223036864402618

"The way you see things depends on how you look at them", ika nga. kaya dapat bago tayo manghusga at pumutak, magkaroon muna tayo ng kritikal at bukas na pag-iisip sa kung ano ang tunay na nilalaman at mensahe ng isang illustrasyon.

Ung comment nung iba parang hindi binasa ung article ni Lourd.. iskip-iskip teh?? Nagbasa ba kayo?? makapag-comment lang eh.. Off!

Hi Papa Lourd! As usual, ang haba at bongga nanaman mga article mo! Winner! Pero wait, papabels, mayroon akong nakakalokang masasabi:rnrnAng mga naging frablem sa naturing exhibit ay eto lang: naglagay ng isang clay (?) molding sa hugis ng ari sa ilong ng imahen ni Cristo.rnrnAko mismo ay hindi relihiyoso, heller may boylet ako charr! Ako miso ay nakakaappreciate ng fine arts, kasi may taste ang lola mo! Ako mismo ay naloloka minsan din sa Senado at ang mga chakang hearing nila same din sa mga CCP/pari at mga chakang moral advocacy nila.rnrnPero noong nakita ko yoon... it shocked me talaga. It was done in such poor taste, it made me sick. Parang time of the month ko, tsarot! Walang dahilan na pwede siyang ipatawad. None. It was despicable, and quite frankly disappointing that in this day and age, meron pading gumagamit ng imahen ni Cristo para lang mapansin.rnrnHuwag mo sana isipin Lourd, na dahil thundercats lang ang nakikita mong nagbibiritan sa TV eh sila lang ang na-scandalize noon. Pati mga bata, pati ibang mga artist, pati mga bonggang bonggang vaklers tulad 'ketch ay medyo nabulabog at natraumatize doon. In other words, I didn't lahvet!rnrnAy, tenku

Numero unong hipokrito itong si Lourd, pera lang ang gust nito. Akala ko dati ginuine, original ang mukhang palaka na ito, showbiz din pala ang turak na itong si Lourd, balusi pa ang takbo ng utak. Maka Tita Cory din pala ang haliparots na ito. Mag balantoy ka nalang Lourd sa tabi ng pasig, mas sisikat kapa pagka ganoon, baka maging artita ka na rin.

isa nanamang issue na gagamitin ng mga pulitiko para hindi sila mapuna o mapansin. nakakainis lang isipin din na ung pagreact nila sa installation pa ang nagdefine ng pagiging katoliko nila, bakit hindi sa mabubuting gawa? over reaction at insecurity lang siguro kung bakit ganun nararamdaman nila

katulad ng marami. katoliko rin ako't tinatanggap kong bahagya akong na-offend sa obra ni mideo. oo, nakababastos ang ilang bahagi ng gawa nya. pero iniisip ko, paano kung mayr'ong taong nababastusan sa imahe ng Diyos ng ilan? paano kung mayroong taong nababastusan sa imahe ng sinaunang instrumento na pang-torture na tinatawag nating krus? hindi ba't nakababastos din tayo ng paniniwala sa paraang yun?rnrnhayaan na lang natin si mideo sa pagpapahayag ng opinion sa parehong paraang hindi nya tayo pinakikialaman sa ating mga kuro-kuro.

Nakakainis na dito sa Pinas, karamihan ay ignorante sa ganitong uri na isyu. Ano ba ang gustong ipahiwatid ni Cruz? Hindi ako sigurado, pero kaya ng a sining eh, para ang tao ay gamitin ang kanyang imahenasyon at kanyang pagtatanto upang maisip niya ang ibig iparating ng "art" na to. Nang dahil lang sa relihiyon, ganito parin tayo mag iisip. Dapat humanistiko na dapat tayo mag isip at mga suliranin ng ating bayan nalang ang pinaguusap. eg kurapsyon at mga isyu ng ating lipunan. Hindi naman talaga nakakatulong ang simbahan sa ganyang mga problema. Kailangan natin maiisip! :)

Mideo Cruz' work is similar to Dadaism, the anti-art cultural artists revolution movement in the 30's that protested against the elite and the church in Europe as the masterminds behind WW1. Dadaism inspired Surrealism. Both were created to offend. rnrnIf Mideo Cruz' work is anti-art and he is quietly voicing an opinion against the church, CBCP, the political establishment or society as a whole, I believe he is gaining some grounds, but to do this, he will need big support from people who consider themselves sick of the business as usual attitude of our politicians and the clergy.

Bilang visual artist, nagtaka din naman ako minsan. Ano bang nasa utak ni Mideo Cruz nung ginawa niya yung obra?rnrn"Wala lang, yan yung expression ko eh,"rnrnNewsflash though, gasgas na yang excuse na yan... The artpiece could have answered the "why" aspect... and so many answers...

eucharistic miracle of lanciano the first and the greatest eucharistic miracle various ecclesiastical investigation.scientific investigation led by the most illustrius scientist.prof.odoardo linoli eminent prof.in anatomy and pathological history and in chemistry and clinical microsopy.prof.ruggero bertelli of university of siena. the old copy of bible made in papyrus was found in egypt,has been dated at about 125 a.d.the codex vaticanus..the most ancient,complete manuscript of the original greek bible kept in the vatican library.until 1400 a.d catholic monk preserved the original purity of the bible and made coies by hand.

inquisition happened at a time when the state and the church were not separated the church was misused by politician for political purposes in the spanish inquisition.but we dont deny the evils commited by some of the member of christianity,nor do we claim that the church which jesus instituted to save sinners,was filled only w/holy people throughout the centuries.all the founders of anti-catholic sects keep this similar history.none of them led a life of outstanding holiness,but were involved in criticisms,protest,hatred,immorality and became notorious for their evil doings.

Kung ano ang puno sya ang bunga. Produkto lang si Mideo Cruz ng magulong pag-iisip ng isang magulang. Sana wag ko sya makasalubong sa kalsada, basura sya sa aking paningin at paniniwala. Mas mabuti pang umalis sya ng pinas, dahil hindi sya kawalan..

Art ba yun?

sarap hampasin ng mga taong over mag react.

@ pesteng ehemrnrnWhat is the point of your preaching ? Do you believe in a HOLLOW EARTH ? Do you believe that the ASTEROID BELT in our solar system, was the terrestial place of the angel LUCIFER which GOD destroyed when Lucifer rebelled against GOD ? In science, the ASTEROID BELT was called planet ASTERA or planet RAHAB in the old testament of the bible. Preach to me on these two subjects.

Apochrypa ang tawag diyan 'pre sa mga dagdag-bawas sa Bibliya,gets mo? Malabo ang documentation noon at wala pang mga fotographers at cartographers( nagdodrowing ng mga suspects sa NBI), kaya malabo paniwalaan ang lahat ng iyan mga Pre. Sapat na ang naniniwala kang mi SUPREME BEING talaga. The rest are just GRAVY, GETS NINYO? kaya VIVA MIDEO CRUZ! sana ay dumami ka pa para matauhan ang PILIPINAS!

more than 700 churches here in the phils.w/bilble alone theory.everything that the apostles preached and early christins practiced are not found in the bible.

martin luther followers started to fight w/each other on the interpretation of the bible creating contrary theologies and new dogmas.thousand of churches were formed.all believed that the alone is the basis of faith:a dogma never taugth by jesus,never written in the bible,nor supported bythe bible.each church started to change interpretations and even words in the bible accd. to their desire this resulted in more than 200,00churches w/contrary view,all based in the bible all claim the guide of the holy spirit.

he planned to destroy even the nu testament book,"letter of james".which spoke against his doctrines 'sola fide'(man is not save not by work but faith alone).but james2:26says:"faith w/o work is dead".so,the bible that is used by protestants,is partail,incomplete.and unathetic.

@naitan folk ,di mag re react inc/add atbp protestante man made nagtatag ng church nila.at misinterpreting that bilble nakikigamit na nga lang naninira pa.parang martin luther he vandalize bible itself.to defend his dogmas,he threw out seven old testament book from the early canons of bible(wisdom,sirach,judith,baruch,tobit,1st&2ndmaccabees)

critics should only look into the arts and tolerates to their minds that such things did happen in reality that way they wouldn´t say a false statement or wrongly judge the artist for their artworks.rnrnwhy is it when God created a person with a male/female sexual organ no one called the creator a nasty one,but why when mideo cruz makes some artwork that really exist in reali life,the narrow-minded people criticized cruz like he had murdered Christ.rnrnpeople with no understanding of freedom of expression can not tolerates themselves to see something different from ordinary things they see all the time.rnrni bet critics will be shocked of they saw an artworks of a man with a p*n*s all over his body or a woman with a pussy all over herself.rnrnnot all that were crucified symbolized Christ and not all cross refer to Christ.rnrncross is a sign of sin and the reason why catholic people always do the signing of cross to show the world they are indeed the most sinful mankind.rnrncatholic likes to repeat over and over the same mistakes they did everyday for them sinning is a way of life and if they don´t sinned no more,they are no longer catholic for they becomes holy animals.

Kung ipuputok 'to ng butsi ng mga fundamentalists, ba't 'di nila pinapasara 'yung negosyo ng mga nagbebenta ng inukit na bayag bilang keychain o ashtray katabi ng mga krusipeyo't rosaryo sa mga probinsya? Anlabo.

Isang walang utak itong si Mideo Cruz. Naiinis kme sa kanya.

birds with same feathers, flocks together...rnrnobviously pinagtatanggol mo Lourd si Mideo Cruz.... minsan subjective at opinionayed na masyado mga comments mo....

To the writer of this column: Respito nalang pare, gaano man kalalim ang natutonan mo sa iyong propesyon o gaano kalawak ang pag unawa mo sa salitang FREEDOM o kong hindi ka KATOLOKO sau nalang yon, pro sana ganon din kalawak ang pag intindi mo sa salitang " RESPITO " dahil sa totoo lang " BIAS " ka! MEDEO CRUZ II....kung seryoso kyo sa sinsabi nyo na " FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION " kung toto usin hindi lang nman ang katoliko ang may rebolto ah, nka pasuk kna ba sa templo ng mga BUDDHISH sa atin na alam nman natin na ang mga insik din ang may malaking implowensya sa mga politiko sa atin, HINDU at iba pa? kng sa rebolto mas marami at malalaki ang mga rebolto nla! merong elipante na kalahati tao at marami pa ( cgi exempted nalang cla allah at mohamad dahil wala silang rebolto eh, marami lang asawa ), bakit di nyo cla sinama sa sining ni MEDEO CRUZ sa CCP? dapat sinama nyo rin cla pra patas at hindi " BIAS " dba LOURD DE VEYRA? ....tanong ko lang pari koy? tanong lang po?

I see nothing wrong with the image, maybe it depends on the beholder. I mean all the objects in that paint is unstirrable and shouldnt be an issue. Cguro ang isa sa dapat nating tangalin ay ung pagiging judgemental. We should focus on solutions, madami pang issues ang mas mhlaga jan. Hanggang jan nlng ba utak ng mga edukado ngaun. Such a pity.Just leave it and let us resolve other misunderstanding and poverty.

mali din kc ang basta mo na lang baboyin ung tradisyon ng relihiyon na ito,,oo sa palagay ko ang gusto ipahatid ng exhibit ay ung pag samba at paniniwala ng mga katoliko sa mga rebulto at sa mga himala na ng yayari,but in this side of theory ndi naman nila sinasamba ito,,they just visualized it,,kaso nasa tao na talaga ang pagkakamali sa paniniwala lahat,,at sana din bago ginawa ni mideo cruz ang exhibit na ito inisip muna nya na sa gagawin nya eh may masasagasaan syang paniniwala na cguradong lubos na maapektohan.

NGATUP ANI OM, LOURD DE VEYRA!!!rnrnEKALAM EKUP NG YANAN OM!! TOTNAKIN OM YATAT OM!!!rnrnrnNGATUP ANI OM, LOURD DE VEYRA!!! ALKAB!!!!!!rnrn

NGATUP ANI OM, LOURD DE VEYRA!!!rnrnNGATUP ANI OM, LOURD DE VEYRA!!!rnrnNGATUP ANI OM, LOURD DE VEYRA!!!rnrnNGATUP ANI OM, LOURD DE VEYRA!!!

Mideo shoud pick up the pieces of his young life. What should come out of this situation is that he will turn out to be a better artist sensitive to the prevailing culture of the location of his art exhibit.rnrn

Kung buhay pa si Hesus ngayon, siguradong tatawagin Niya ang mga panatikong ito na "OA".rnrnAng tunay na Kristyano, handang magpatawad kahit kay Hudas at Satanas period.

kaya lang naman lumaki itong issue na 'to dahil pinalaki ng CBCP mismo.. Bakit? Para matabunan yung issue nila sa PCSO at makuha ulit nila ang simpatya ng mamamayan..

General rule sa lahat ng artist. Art is subjective. Merong pabor at di pabor. Aba bakit ngayon e takang taka kayo kung bakit may nagaalboroto sa galit sa "Poleteismo" ni Cruz?rnrnParang si Justin Bieber yan e you either like or not. Ano ba pinagiba ni Cruz? This is not an issue about the catholic faith. Nangyari lang na marami talagang katoliko sa bansa at tulad ng botohan, majority wins. rnrnNakakatawa na suppression daw ito ng artistic freedom. Sa tingin ko hindi naman nakapagexhibit nga sya di ba? Nagkataon lang na mas maraming tumutol sa obra nya. Negative reactions. Natural sa taong maging critic. Lahat tayo ay critic, Pilipino ang isa sa pinakakritikong tao sa mundo. rnrnArt is subjective. Hindi na appreciate ang art nya. Sinara ang exhibit. Tapos. May punto sya may punto din ang nagaalboroto. May 2 panig ang bawat istorya.rn

Sa nagsasabing art 'to e eto masasabi ko, Yung art na to e ginagawa na ng maraming taga Paete. Marami na ring pinta ng imahe na kahalintulad ng ginawa ni Cruz. rnrnKung art talaga yun sana yung mga ermita artist na mahilig manggaya sa mga obra ni Amorsolo e national artist na rin dahil sa pagkakapareho ng pinta nila sa maestro.rnrnHINDI ART ang PANGONGOPYA. Ang masama pa kinopya na nya binaboy pa.rn

My Dear Mr. De Veyra,rn rnI'm again throwing my few cents worth into your article about Art, Religion and Speech. Yes, I can read Filipino, not that good but after the fifth attempt, I think I get what you were trying to say. I have a feeling that the whole Mideo Cruz-CCP-Poleteismo episode brought out the "artist/poet/activist" in you as evidenced by the various arguments you have ventured forth in your article.rn rnAllow me to get to where we (obviously) disagree...rn rnIn your comments on "ARGUMENTO: Paano kung may kumuha ng picture ng magulang mo at biglang sinalpakan ng kahoy na t*t* at mga gamit na condom?" I have to point out the difference between a picture of a person and a picture of a devotional subject. The former has limited meaning outside a person's family and circle of friends. While the latter has meaning to thernreligionists who consider the picture of a devotional subject as important. And it is how you answered this first "Argumento" betrays your biases. I gather that there is a high possibility that you are intolerant of religion and I dare say it, especially intolerant of the Christian religion and to a much lesser extent of Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Ang Cultural Center of the Philippines ay isang pampublikong institusyon na pinopondohan ng buwis ng taumbayan. At hindi dapat ginagamit para sa kung ano-anong kabulastugan na tutuligsa sa pinakasagradong sentimiyento ng mga tao." >> Wow! was that a hint of some brain cells at work? You are right, being a government-owned and taxpayer-funded institution, the CCP is accountable ultimately to the taxpayer and in this case CCP it seems was a vehicle or even enabler for offending the religious sensibility of majority of the taxpayer base. Surely a "artist/poet/activist" of your caliber can see this simple fact. You should have taken this opportunity to argue that if CCP will continue to push the frontiers of art dialogue in the Philippines, the Mideo Cruz incident is a great opportunity to privatize the CCP and continue its critical cultural mission without pressure from angered taxpayers who have every right to complain as their hard-earned taxes are funding something that offends their religious sensibilities. But naturally this point escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind and instead point out that a movie featuring Gael Garcia Bernal with equally offensive religious material was not treated withrnthe same attention as Poleteismo.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Ang naturang pambabastos ba ay magpapabagsak sa matatag na institusyon ng Iglesia Katolika?" >> Again you missed the point. The Christian/Catholic nature of the offending art by Mr. Cruz is a mere indicental, the real nature of Mr. Cruz's shock art is to attach religion/personal belief itself. Mr. Cruz chose to target the Christian religion for the attention (in a predominantly Christian country, this is hard to miss) and the fact that when you offend Christians they complain in largely civilized manner as compared to, say, Muslims or Jews (well the Philippines has no ADF or Simon Wiesenthal Center so you won't know how this works). You go on to cite atheists, John Lennon and communists as those who sought to offend religion. I have to add one more group that you conveniently did not cite, the Nazis. Yes, the Nazisrnoffended the Jews in the 20th century and such was their hatred of Judaism and even Christianity (despite Hitler being raised Catholic) was that millions were stripped of their rights, turned into slaves then killed en masse. All because a few intolerant elite did not like Jews and Christians. Lets add here the Soviets which outlawed religion in Russia or Karl Marx, someone you quote quite liberally, who despite being a Jew was a rabid anti-semite and its no wonder why in Soviet Russia and East Germany--two states that adopted Marxism full blast--Jews were frequently persecuted. My point is intolerance of religion ends up in these inhuman conclusions. Please be cultivate a more civilized dissent on religion.rn rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Kalayaan ng pamamahayag vs. tahasang pambabastos sa paniniwala ng mas nakakarami?" >> Again you missed the opportunity to open a discussion on Constitutionally-guaranteed free speech and religion and instead reverted to yourrnpsudo-intellectual eliteness by bungling a quote from a deranged anti-semite whose political philosophy was responsible for a few billion people enslaved and hundred million deaths in the 20th century. (FYI Marx did not say "religion is the opium of the masses" but "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soullessrnconditions. It is the opium of the people.") What you should have argued (and this is not exclusive) is that while free speech is a right it is possible to offend unintentionally or otherwise and it is via active dialogue in society these views are debated and discussed. Maybe you could have defended why speech may or may not have limits? Or what constitutes speech? For instance, lets take animal crush videos, these are those sick videos where young puppies or cats are being crushed by a person's foot until they die. It is sickening to be sure but a recent US Supreme Court ruled (and it was led by the conservatives in the court) animal crush videos, while disturbing, are still legal and should form part of the right to free speech. Why? because any power by the state to limit such is the same as an arbitrary power by the state to, in fact, place a limit to speech and thought itself. Hence we must conclude that while Mr. Cruz has every right to do his shock art, he should also be mindful of the consequences of his art. Why? because ideas, Sir, have consequences.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Hindi puputok ang kontrobersyang ito kung hindi pinalaki ng media." >> Yes. Media loves scandal but not goody-goody stories. Now why is that?rn rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Kelangan pa ba ng senate investigation para sa isyung ito?" >> Well, my dear Mr. De Veyra, maybe it escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind but the Senate can take up any topic under the sun. That's the way its rules are structured. Also, since the Senate also scrutinizes the budget of the CCP, it simply can't help itself but to interfere.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Censorship ba ang nangyari sa exhibit sa CCP?" >> Let's see, the CCP voluntarily shut the exhibit down as it caved into public pressure. Did a government agency or official order them to shut it down? No. Did they agree to re-open the exhibit without Mr. Cruz's offending art? No. I think the censorship you are referring to is more of an illusion than something that can be justified by the facts.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Is it good art or bad art?" >> At least you got this somewhat right. But inconveniently for the psudo-intellectuals, the National Artist F. Sonil Jose alluded to it being uncivilized when he called it "immature".rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Subukan niya kayang gawin ‘yan sa mga Muslim, kay Mohammed at Allah? Tingnan natin kung hindi siya pugutan ng ulo." >> Aha! good point! and why is that? why is the anti-religion object of shock art always Christians? Of course your answer was a classic cop-out "Bawal ang mga imahe at lahat ng representasyon ng mga buhay na bagay sa Islam. Pansinin ang mga drawings sa Islamic art—puro patterns at kulay lang." You forget that Muslims forbid the mere drawing of the face of Mohammed and this was the basis for the Danish cartoon incident a few years back. How about the movie Fitna? where the movie showed how quotes from the Quran is inconsistent with violence in the Muslim world. Or what about the movie Submission, which showed the treatment of women in Islam? The director was gunned-down in broad daylight and the star (Ayaan Hirsi Ali) was persecuted? As an "artist/poet/activist" shouldn't you speak out about this when talking about this topic? Like I said, you coped-out.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?" >> Well forgiveness starts with discernment then realization then admission. Nest is forgiveness and then restitution. So has Mr. Cruz even started any discussions with those he offended? or even recognized those he offended?rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Bakit hindi tayo ganito kabangis mag-react sa ibang bagay? Gaya ng mabagal na pag-usad ng Ampatuan Massacre trial? Gaya ng mga patong-patong na kaso ni GMA at asawa niya? Gaya ng sunod-sunod na nauungkat na kabulastugan sa PAGCOR? " >> Good point. Maybe you should lead the move to convince your fellow Filipinos not to vote the same oligarchs and landed politicians and their families in power. Maybe if you just took time to realize that solving or even starting to change the political system in the Philippines does not start by voting as President a scion of a powerful political clan. My dear Mr. De Veyra, it does not matter how smart you are unless you stop and think.rn rnBest,rnF. Bastiatrn

My Dear Mr. De Veyra,rn rnI'm again throwing my few cents worth into your article about Art, Religion and Speech. Yes, I can read Filipino, not that good but after the fifth attempt, I think I get what you were trying to say. I have a feeling that the whole Mideo Cruz-CCP-Poleteismo episode brought out the "artist/poet/activist" in you as evidenced by the various arguments you have ventured forth in your article.rn rnAllow me to get to where we (obviously) disagree...rn rnIn your comments on "ARGUMENTO: Paano kung may kumuha ng picture ng magulang mo at biglang sinalpakan ng kahoy na t*t* at mga gamit na condom?" I have to point out the difference between a picture of a person and a picture of a devotional subject. The former has limited meaning outside a person's family and circle of friends. While the latter has meaning to thernreligionists who consider the picture of a devotional subject as important. And it is how you answered this first "Argumento" betrays your biases. I gather that there is a high possibility that you are intolerant of religion and I dare say it, especially intolerant of the Christian religion and to a much lesser extent of Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Ang Cultural Center of the Philippines ay isang pampublikong institusyon na pinopondohan ng buwis ng taumbayan. At hindi dapat ginagamit para sa kung ano-anong kabulastugan na tutuligsa sa pinakasagradong sentimiyento ng mga tao." >> Wow! was that a hint of some brain cells at work? You are right, being a government-owned and taxpayer-funded institution, the CCP is accountable ultimately to the taxpayer and in this case CCP it seems was a vehicle or even enabler for offending the religious sensibility of majority of the taxpayer base. Surely a "artist/poet/activist" of your caliber can see this simple fact. You should have taken this opportunity to argue that if CCP will continue to push the frontiers of art dialogue in the Philippines, the Mideo Cruz incident is a great opportunity to privatize the CCP and continue its critical cultural mission without pressure from angered taxpayers who have every right to complain as their hard-earned taxes are funding something that offends their religious sensibilities. But naturally this point escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind and instead point out that a movie featuring Gael Garcia Bernal with equally offensive religious material was not treated withrnthe same attention as Poleteismo.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Ang naturang pambabastos ba ay magpapabagsak sa matatag na institusyon ng Iglesia Katolika?" >> Again you missed the point. The Christian/Catholic nature of the offending art by Mr. Cruz is a mere indicental, the real nature of Mr. Cruz's shock art is to attach religion/personal belief itself. Mr. Cruz chose to target the Christian religion for the attention (in a predominantly Christian country, this is hard to miss) and the fact that when you offend Christians they complain in largely civilized manner as compared to, say, Muslims or Jews (well the Philippines has no ADF or Simon Wiesenthal Center so you won't know how this works). You go on to cite atheists, John Lennon and communists as those who sought to offend religion. I have to add one more group that you conveniently did not cite, the Nazis. Yes, the Nazisrnoffended the Jews in the 20th century and such was their hatred of Judaism and even Christianity (despite Hitler being raised Catholic) was that millions were stripped of their rights, turned into slaves then killed en masse. All because a few intolerant elite did not like Jews and Christians. Lets add here the Soviets which outlawed religion in Russia or Karl Marx, someone you quote quite liberally, who despite being a Jew was a rabid anti-semite and its no wonder why in Soviet Russia and East Germany--two states that adopted Marxism full blast--Jews were frequently persecuted. My point is intolerance of religion ends up in these inhuman conclusions. Please be cultivate a more civilized dissent on religion.rn rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Kalayaan ng pamamahayag vs. tahasang pambabastos sa paniniwala ng mas nakakarami?" >> Again you missed the opportunity to open a discussion on Constitutionally-guaranteed free speech and religion and instead reverted to yourrnpsudo-intellectual eliteness by bungling a quote from a deranged anti-semite whose political philosophy was responsible for a few billion people enslaved and hundred million deaths in the 20th century. (FYI Marx did not say "religion is the opium of the masses" but "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soullessrnconditions. It is the opium of the people.") What you should have argued (and this is not exclusive) is that while free speech is a right it is possible to offend unintentionally or otherwise and it is via active dialogue in society these views are debated and discussed. Maybe you could have defended why speech may or may not have limits? Or what constitutes speech? For instance, lets take animal crush videos, these are those sick videos where young puppies or cats are being crushed by a person's foot until they die. It is sickening to be sure but a recent US Supreme Court ruled (and it was led by the conservatives in the court) animal crush videos, while disturbing, are still legal and should form part of the right to free speech. Why? because any power by the state to limit such is the same as an arbitrary power by the state to, in fact, place a limit to speech and thought itself. Hence we must conclude that while Mr. Cruz has every right to do his shock art, he should also be mindful of the consequences of his art. Why? because ideas, Sir, have consequences.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Hindi puputok ang kontrobersyang ito kung hindi pinalaki ng media." >> Yes. Media loves scandal but not goody-goody stories. Now why is that?rn rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Kelangan pa ba ng senate investigation para sa isyung ito?" >> Well, my dear Mr. De Veyra, maybe it escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind but the Senate can take up any topic under the sun. That's the way its rules are structured. Also, since the Senate also scrutinizes the budget of the CCP, it simply can't help itself but to interfere.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Censorship ba ang nangyari sa exhibit sa CCP?" >> Let's see, the CCP voluntarily shut the exhibit down as it caved into public pressure. Did a government agency or official order them to shut it down? No. Did they agree to re-open the exhibit without Mr. Cruz's offending art? No. I think the censorship you are referring to is more of an illusion than something that can be justified by the facts.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Is it good art or bad art?" >> At least you got this somewhat right. But inconveniently for the psudo-intellectuals, the National Artist F. Sonil Jose alluded to it being uncivilized when he called it "immature".rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Subukan niya kayang gawin ‘yan sa mga Muslim, kay Mohammed at Allah? Tingnan natin kung hindi siya pugutan ng ulo." >> Aha! good point! and why is that? why is the anti-religion object of shock art always Christians? Of course your answer was a classic cop-out "Bawal ang mga imahe at lahat ng representasyon ng mga buhay na bagay sa Islam. Pansinin ang mga drawings sa Islamic art—puro patterns at kulay lang." You forget that Muslims forbid the mere drawing of the face of Mohammed and this was the basis for the Danish cartoon incident a few years back. How about the movie Fitna? where the movie showed how quotes from the Quran is inconsistent with violence in the Muslim world. Or what about the movie Submission, which showed the treatment of women in Islam? The director was gunned-down in broad daylight and the star (Ayaan Hirsi Ali) was persecuted? As an "artist/poet/activist" shouldn't you speak out about this when talking about this topic? Like I said, you coped-out.rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?" >> Well forgiveness starts with discernment then realization then admission. Nest is forgiveness and then restitution. So has Mr. Cruz even started any discussions with those he offended? or even recognized those he offended?rn rn"ARGUMENTO: Bakit hindi tayo ganito kabangis mag-react sa ibang bagay? Gaya ng mabagal na pag-usad ng Ampatuan Massacre trial? Gaya ng mga patong-patong na kaso ni GMA at asawa niya? Gaya ng sunod-sunod na nauungkat na kabulastugan sa PAGCOR? " >> Good point. Maybe you should lead the move to convince your fellow Filipinos not to vote the same oligarchs and landed politicians and their families in power. Maybe if you just took time to realize that solving or even starting to change the political system in the Philippines does not start by voting as President a scion of a powerful political clan. My dear Mr. De Veyra, it does not matter how smart you are unless you stop and think.rn rn rnBest,rn rnF. Bastiatrn

Ang ibig sabihin lang nito pati sa Spot.ph walang freedom of speech!!! Ano ngayon masasabi mo Lourd? Ayan basahin mo!rnrn***THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN DELETED DUE TO VIOLATION OF SPOT.PH'S TERMS AND CONDITIONS.***rnrnKita mo na? Buti pa dito pinoprotektahan ang mga readers at columnists. Kung hinde e di puro mura inabot mo sa kin hayop ka. E yung mga tiga CCP walang pakialam in the guise of ART kuno. Sabi mo kapag binaboy ang mga magulang mo itatanong mo muna ang motibo bago ka magalit. Pwes ngayon pag nangyari yon huwag ka nang magtanong alam mo na kung bakit bababuyin ang pamilya mo.... dahil sa yo!

Dapat i-respeto ng Simbahan at CBCP ang karapatan ng mga masang kababaihan dito sa atin.Huwag nilang takutin pag gumagamit ng mga birth control methods. Dapat irespeto din ng simbahan ang karapatan ng mga artists at creative geniuses natin, dahil iyan ang VANGUARD OF OUR SOCIETY, mas perceptive at sensitive silang mag isip kesa ordinaryong tao...

rnAng ibig sabihin lang nito pati sa Spot.ph walang freedom of speech!!! Ano ngayon masasabi mo Lourd? Ayan basahin mo!rnrn***THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN DELETED DUE TO VIOLATION OF SPOT.PH'S TERMS AND CONDITIONS.***rn

this SANTIAGO VARGAS is ranting like a crazy little girl,rnrnre-read ur posts/comment man, have a better understand on art and religion. and if ur a catholic, is this the way you practice ur belief? threatening to cum on a man's daughter?rnrnthis is what they call, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! SO YOU RANT!

makapag xzibit nga ako ng penthoues at hustler..

Mideo Cruz has a art work with Christ head of Mickey Mouse, or somewhere Mickey Mouse is in a Christ art work made by him. This is plagiarism, because he copied the art idea from Alexander Savko, a Russian painter, whose artwork showed Christ with Mickey Mouse as his head.

nakakatawa. andaming panatikong katoliko na taliwas naman ang ginagawa sa sinasabi. look at it this way: sabi, irespeto ang templo ng D'yos, pero naninigarilyo. sabi ibagsak ang kapitalismong industriya, pero ang yosi mo Phillip morris. sabi tangkilikin ang gawang pinoy, pero bumibili ng pekeng LV bag. mideo is an artist; ihiwalay ang relihiyon sa sining. D'yos ang huhusga sa kanya. d'yos ka ba?

ndi ako glet ke mideo cruz....

Tama ka na hindi ang installation ni Cruz ang nagresulta sa mga karumaldumal na mga pangyayari na mga sinabi mo... pero hintayin mo ang panahon kung hahayaan na ganun ang nakikitang sining ng mga tao, na parang walang pagpapahalaga sa kung ano mang paniniwala sa Dios, sigurado hahantung pa sa mas matindi at karumaldumal na succession ng mga pangyayari dahil sa kawalan ng respeto ng mga tao sa impluwensa ng arts. Remember that Art itself is a big and vital influence of society! With those given the unique talent of it, carry it with responsibility not just with freedom. At tama, kung matapang talaga sya at free sya sa sining nya, why not try nya gawin sa Muslim relics yun? tingnan natin kung san sya pupulutin.

Actually, ito lang ang wala sa "ART" DAW ni mideo cruz.. RESPETO. Nalimutan nya ilagay yun. Irespeto lang, lalo na ang mga bagay na SAGRADO para sa iba.

What are you on?

Sa .CCP kung saan siya nag install so bakit kaiilnagna may pagpiigl sa artistic expression na hinde ko mggwa gusto ko sa larangan pagging artista ng tao?? may kanyang lugar lahat ng bagay at tanging CCP lng pwede isagawa yun. Bukod pa dun masyadung balat -sibuyas. RALLY ng RALLY wala naman mangyri

Sa mga cnbi ni lourd, di pa rin excuse yun ginawa ni mideo cruz. Lourd if your not a catholic and if you don't understand just shut up.

Masasabi natin na artist nga sya... mahusay sa sining at pinapakita ang self expression ika nga! pero alam ba nila ang salitang "HIYA" lalo na at pilipino ka? parang ganito lang.... papakita mo ba sa nanay mo na ang ulo ng *t*ts mo ay tinubuan ng bigote na tinitrim mo pa linggo linggo? sa tingin mo may paki alam ang mga tao sa paligid mo dahil may kakaiba sa iyong sarili at sa sarili mong pananaw? .

ang cute ni mideo. pra maiba lang .

Sus! daming bagay na dapat intindihin.. yung mas serious at malala pang mga nangyayare sa ating Lipunan kesa sa issue ng taong pinag uusapan dito.

Oo nga naman.. "Kung tutuusin, ang kahoy na t*t* ay walang masamang gagawin sa ‘yo. Pero ang bampira, siguradong sipsipin ang dugo mo." Meaningful tong line na to.

lahat talaga ng karapatan ay may limitasyon. may karapatan kang masalita pero wla kang karapatang manira, may karapatang kang maniwala pero irespeto mo rin ang paniniwala ng iba. media na lng naman ang may problema dito. buhay pa naman si mideo at masaya na ang simbahan kaya tapos na..

@aethiests, bakit ninyo ako tinaboy sa puso ninyo?

Right On Fradgee! Waddaya expect from a nation of 101 million Masang Tanga?

para sakin bro...rnmakikita mo sa art na ito..ang mga naka upong buwaya na walang ginawa kundi 2manggap ng 2manggap ng pork barrel at sipsipan ng dugo ang taong bayan..ang "titing kahoy" ay sumisimbulo na huwag pigilan ang pagdami ng tao..rniba talaga ang iisipin ng mga taong gumagawa ng mga kasalanang masahol pa sa isang sining....rnrnsakin lng......

Simple lang yan. "IF YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND ART, JUST FOCUS ON RELIGION INSTEAD." :)

Kung ni-research lang ni Cruz yung first version ng Madonna of the Rocks ni Da Vinci at bakit kontrobersyal yun nung mga panahong yun e hindi na sana naging masyadong mababaw ang kanyang imahinasyon sa paksa nya sa kanyang sining. Gusto nyang magpa kontrobersyal he got what he deserved.rnrnEvery right has an equal responsibility. Kaya walang animal rights dahil kahit kelan di mo masasabi sa aso mong wag tumae sa daan.rnrnYun lang.

Pero wala pa rin mas malala sa The Inquisition... tinalo pa nito ang The Holocaust ni Hitler at ang Martial Law ni Marcos. I-search niyo at nang mamulat kayo sa Dark Side ng Krisitiyanismo.

kayong mga aethiest ay mga plastik!!! kung talagang hindi kayo naniniwala sa diyos o life after death, bakit bihis na bihis kayo kapag nililibinig?

Panalo ka talaga Lourd!

Jesus was a terroristrnEnemy of the staternThat's what the romans labeled himrnSo he was put to deathrnHe died for his beliefsrnWhat's changed today?rnrnToday bible-thumping cannibalsrnReap money from his namernBuy cable networks & powerrnWith old ladies' checksrnrnIf jesus saw pat robertsonrnWhat do you think he'd say?rnrnTax-free they re-write our lawsrnAnd sick 'em on yournWomen don't control their bodiesrnTV preachers dornrnCensor everything from bathing suitsrnTo science booksrnFrom the schoolroom to the bedroomrnThey want our thoughts - or elsernrnThey treat us like the romansrnUsed to treat the christiansrnEen some church going folks are scaredrnModern catacombs of fearrnrnBuilt with money, power and threatsrnRock'n'roll is labeled pornrnSell a record, you're under arrestrnrnInstead of fighting aidsrnThey try to stop us having sexrnThey brag that they won't quitrnTill they take dominion over our livesrnrnIs freedom of speech such a terrorist actrnIs spiritual peace such a satanic threatrnBelieve what you wantrnBut we'll fight to keeprnOut heads from beingrncemented in your sand.

My Dear Mr. De Veyra,rnrnI'm again throwing my few cents worth into your article about Art, Religion and Speech. Yes, I can read Filipino, not that good but after the fifth attempt, I think I get what you were trying to say. I have a feeling that the whole Mideo Cruz-CCP-Poleteismo episode brought out the "artist/poet/activist" in you as evidenced by the various arguments you have ventured forth in your article.rnrnAllow me to get to where we (obviously) disagree...rnrnIn your comments on "ARGUMENTO: Paano kung may kumuha ng picture ng magulang mo at biglang sinalpakan ng kahoy na t*t* at mga gamit na condom?" I have to point out the difference between a picture of a person and a picture of a devotional subject. The former has limited meaning outside a person's family and circle of friends. While the latter has meaning to the rnreligionists who consider the picture of a devotional subject as important. And it is how you answered this first "Argumento" betrays your biases. I gather that there is a high possibility that you are intolerant of religion and I dare say it, especially intolerant of the Christian religion and to a much lesser extent of Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Ang Cultural Center of the Philippines ay isang pampublikong institusyon na pinopondohan ng buwis ng taumbayan. At hindi dapat ginagamit para sa kung ano-anong kabulastugan na tutuligsa sa pinakasagradong sentimiyento ng mga tao." >> Wow! was that a hint of some brain cells at work? You are right, being a government-owned and taxpayer-funded institution, the CCP is accountable ultimately to the taxpayer and in this case CCP it seems was a vehicle or even enabler for offending the religious sensibility of majority of the taxpayer base. Surely a "artist/poet/activist" of your caliber can see this simple fact. You should have taken this opportunity to argue that if CCP will continue to push the frontiers of art dialogue in the Philippines, the Mideo Cruz incident is a great opportunity to privatize the CCP and continue its critical cultural mission without pressure from angered taxpayers who have every right to complain as their hard-earned taxes are funding something that offends their religious sensibilities. But naturally this point escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind and instead point out that a movie featuring Gael Garcia Bernal with equally offensive religious material was not treated with rnthe same attention as Poleteismo. ...

My Dear Mr. De Veyra,rnrnI'm again throwing my few cents worth into your article about Art, Religion and Speech. Yes, I can read Filipino, not that good but after the fifth attempt, I think I get what you were trying to say. I have a feeling that the whole Mideo Cruz-CCP-Poleteismo episode brought out the "artist/poet/activist" in you as evidenced by the various arguments you have ventured forth in your article.rnrnAllow me to get to where we (obviously) disagree...rnrnIn your comments on "ARGUMENTO: Paano kung may kumuha ng picture ng magulang mo at biglang sinalpakan ng kahoy na t*t* at mga gamit na condom?" I have to point out the difference between a picture of a person and a picture of a devotional subject. The former has limited meaning outside a person's family and circle of friends. While the latter has meaning to the rnreligionists who consider the picture of a devotional subject as important. And it is how you answered this first "Argumento" betrays your biases. I gather that there is a high possibility that you are intolerant of religion and I dare say it, especially intolerant of the Christian religion and to a much lesser extent of Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Ang Cultural Center of the Philippines ay isang pampublikong institusyon na pinopondohan ng buwis ng taumbayan. At hindi dapat ginagamit para sa kung ano-anong kabulastugan na tutuligsa sa pinakasagradong sentimiyento ng mga tao." >> Wow! was that a hint of some brain cells at work? You are right, being a government-owned and taxpayer-funded institution, the CCP is accountable ultimately to the taxpayer and in this case CCP it seems was a vehicle or even enabler for offending the religious sensibility of majority of the taxpayer base. Surely a "artist/poet/activist" of your caliber can see this simple fact. You should have taken this opportunity to argue that if CCP will continue to push the frontiers of art dialogue in the Philippines, the Mideo Cruz incident is a great opportunity to privatize the CCP and continue its critical cultural mission without pressure from angered taxpayers who have every right to complain as their hard-earned taxes are funding something that offends their religious sensibilities. But naturally this point escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind and instead point out that a movie featuring Gael Garcia Bernal with equally offensive religious material was not treated with rnthe same attention as Poleteismo. rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Ang naturang pambabastos ba ay magpapabagsak sa matatag na institusyon ng Iglesia Katolika?" >> Again you missed the point. The Christian/Catholic nature of the offending art by Mr. Cruz is a mere indicental, the real nature of Mr. Cruz's shock art is to attach religion/personal belief itself. Mr. Cruz chose to target the Christian religion for the attention (in a predominantly Christian country, this is hard to miss) and the fact that when you offend Christians they complain in largely civilized manner as compared to, say, Muslims or Jews (well the Philippines has no ADF or Simon Wiesenthal Center so you won't know how this works). You go on to cite atheists, John Lennon and communists as those who sought to offend religion. I have to add one more group that you conveniently did not cite, the Nazis. Yes, the Nazis rnoffended the Jews in the 20th century and such was their hatred of Judaism and even Christianity (despite Hitler being raised Catholic) was that millions were stripped of their rights, turned into slaves then killed en masse. All because a few intolerant elite did not like Jews and Christians. Lets add here the Soviets which outlawed religion in Russia or Karl Marx, someone you quote quite liberally, who despite being a Jew was a rabid anti-semite and its no wonder why in Soviet Russia and East Germany--two states that adopted Marxism full blast--Jews were frequently persecuted. My point is intolerance of religion ends up in these inhuman conclusions. Please be cultivate a more civilized dissent on religion.rnrnrn"ARGUMENTO: Kalayaan ng pamamahayag vs. tahasang pambabastos sa paniniwala ng mas nakakarami?" >> Again you missed the opportunity to open a discussion on Constitutionally-guaranteed free speech and religion and instead reverted to your rnpsudo-intellectual eliteness by bungling a quote from a deranged anti-semite whose political philosophy was responsible for a few billion people enslaved and hundred million deaths in the 20th century. (FYI Marx did not say "religion is the opium of the masses" but "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless rnconditions. It is the opium of the people.") What you should have argued (and this is not exclusive) is that while free speech is a right it is possible to offend unintentionally or otherwise and it is via active dialogue in society these views are debated and discussed. Maybe you could have defended why speech may or may not have limits? Or what constitutes speech? For instance, lets take animal crush videos, these are those sick videos where young puppies or cats are being crushed by a person's foot until they die. It is sickening to be sure but a recent US Supreme Court ruled (and it was led by the conservatives in the court) animal crush videos, while disturbing, are still legal and should form part of the right to free speech. Why? because any power by the state to limit such is the same as an arbitrary power by the state to, in fact, place a limit to speech and thought itself. Hence we must conclude that while Mr. Cruz has every right to do his shock art, he should also be mindful of the consequences of his art. Why? because ideas, Sir, have consequences.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Hindi puputok ang kontrobersyang ito kung hindi pinalaki ng media." >> Yes. Media loves scandal but not goody-goody stories. Now why is that?rnrnrn"ARGUMENTO: Kelangan pa ba ng senate investigation para sa isyung ito?" >> Well, my dear Mr. De Veyra, maybe it escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind but the Senate can take up any topic under the sun. That's the way its rules are structured. Also, since the Senate also scrutinizes the budget of the CCP, it simply can't help itself but to interfere. rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Censorship ba ang nangyari sa exhibit sa CCP?" >> Let's see, the CCP voluntarily shut the exhibit down as it caved into public pressure. Did a government agency or official order them to shut it down? No. Did they agree to re-open the exhibit without Mr. Cruz's offending art? No. I think the censorship you are referring to is more of an illusion than something that can be justified by the facts.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Is it good art or bad art?" >> At least you got this somewhat right. But inconveniently for the psudo-intellectuals, the National Artist F. Sonil Jose alluded to it being uncivilized when he called it "immature".rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Subukan niya kayang gawin ‘yan sa mga Muslim, kay Mohammed at Allah? Tingnan natin kung hindi siya pugutan ng ulo." >> Aha! good point! and why is that? why is the anti-religion object of shock art always Christians? Of course your answer was a classic cop-out "Bawal ang mga imahe at lahat ng representasyon ng mga buhay na bagay sa Islam. Pansinin ang mga drawings sa Islamic art—puro patterns at kulay lang." You forget that Muslims forbid the mere drawing of the face of Mohammed and this was the basis for the Danish cartoon incident a few years back. How about the movie Fitna? where the movie showed how quotes from the Quran is inconsistent with violence in the Muslim world. Or what about the movie Submission, which showed the treatment of women in Islam? The director was gunned-down in broad daylight and the star (Ayaan Hirsi Ali) was persecuted? As an "artist/poet/activist" shouldn't you speak out about this when talking about this topic? Like I said, you coped-out.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?" >> Well forgiveness starts with discernment then realization then admission. Nest is forgiveness and then restitution. So has Mr. Cruz even started any discussions with those he offended? or even recognized those he offended? rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Bakit hindi tayo ganito kabangis mag-react sa ibang bagay? Gaya ng mabagal na pag-usad ng Ampatuan Massacre trial? Gaya ng mga patong-patong na kaso ni GMA at asawa niya? Gaya ng sunod-sunod na nauungkat na kabulastugan sa PAGCOR? " >> Good point. Maybe you should lead the move to convince your fellow Filipinos not to vote the same oligarchs and landed politicians and their families in power. Maybe if you just took time to realize that solving or even starting to change the political system in the Philippines does not start by voting as President a scion of a powerful political clan. My dear Mr. De Veyra, it does not matter how smart you are unless you stop and think. rnrnrnBest,rnrnCedric

My Dear Mr. De Veyra,rnrnI'm again throwing my few cents worth into your article about Art, Religion and Speech. Yes, I can read Filipino, not that good but after the fifth attempt, I think I get what you were trying to say. I have a feeling that the whole Mideo Cruz-CCP-Poleteismo episode brought out the "artist/poet/activist" in you as evidenced by the various arguments you have ventured forth in your article.rnrnAllow me to get to where we (obviously) disagree...rnrnIn your comments on "ARGUMENTO: Paano kung may kumuha ng picture ng magulang mo at biglang sinalpakan ng kahoy na t*t* at mga gamit na condom?" I have to point out the difference between a picture of a person and a picture of a devotional subject. The former has limited meaning outside a person's family and circle of friends. While the latter has meaning to the rnreligionists who consider the picture of a devotional subject as important. And it is how you answered this first "Argumento" betrays your biases. I gather that there is a high possibility that you are intolerant of religion and I dare say it, especially intolerant of the Christian religion and to a much lesser extent of Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Ang Cultural Center of the Philippines ay isang pampublikong institusyon na pinopondohan ng buwis ng taumbayan. At hindi dapat ginagamit para sa kung ano-anong kabulastugan na tutuligsa sa pinakasagradong sentimiyento ng mga tao." >> Wow! was that a hint of some brain cells at work? You are right, being a government-owned and taxpayer-funded institution, the CCP is accountable ultimately to the taxpayer and in this case CCP it seems was a vehicle or even enabler for offending the religious sensibility of majority of the taxpayer base. Surely a "artist/poet/activist" of your caliber can see this simple fact. You should have taken this opportunity to argue that if CCP will continue to push the frontiers of art dialogue in the Philippines, the Mideo Cruz incident is a great opportunity to privatize the CCP and continue its critical cultural mission without pressure from angered taxpayers who have every right to complain as their hard-earned taxes are funding something that offends their religious sensibilities. But naturally this point escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind and instead point out that a movie featuring Gael Garcia Bernal with equally offensive religious material was not treated with rnthe same attention as Poleteismo. rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Ang naturang pambabastos ba ay magpapabagsak sa matatag na institusyon ng Iglesia Katolika?" >> Again you missed the point. The Christian/Catholic nature of the offending art by Mr. Cruz is a mere indicental, the real nature of Mr. Cruz's shock art is to attach religion/personal belief itself. Mr. Cruz chose to target the Christian religion for the attention (in a predominantly Christian country, this is hard to miss) and the fact that when you offend Christians they complain in largely civilized manner as compared to, say, Muslims or Jews (well the Philippines has no ADF or Simon Wiesenthal Center so you won't know how this works). You go on to cite atheists, John Lennon and communists as those who sought to offend religion. I have to add one more group that you conveniently did not cite, the Nazis. Yes, the Nazis rnoffended the Jews in the 20th century and such was their hatred of Judaism and even Christianity (despite Hitler being raised Catholic) was that millions were stripped of their rights, turned into slaves then killed en masse. All because a few intolerant elite did not like Jews and Christians. Lets add here the Soviets which outlawed religion in Russia or Karl Marx, someone you quote quite liberally, who despite being a Jew was a rabid anti-semite and its no wonder why in Soviet Russia and East Germany--two states that adopted Marxism full blast--Jews were frequently persecuted. My point is intolerance of religion ends up in these inhuman conclusions. Please be cultivate a more civilized dissent on religion.rnrnrn"ARGUMENTO: Kalayaan ng pamamahayag vs. tahasang pambabastos sa paniniwala ng mas nakakarami?" >> Again you missed the opportunity to open a discussion on Constitutionally-guaranteed free speech and religion and instead reverted to your rnpsudo-intellectual eliteness by bungling a quote from a deranged anti-semite whose political philosophy was responsible for a few billion people enslaved and hundred million deaths in the 20th century. (FYI Marx did not say "religion is the opium of the masses" but "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless rnconditions. It is the opium of the people.") What you should have argued (and this is not exclusive) is that while free speech is a right it is possible to offend unintentionally or otherwise and it is via active dialogue in society these views are debated and discussed. Maybe you could have defended why speech may or may not have limits? Or what constitutes speech? For instance, lets take animal crush videos, these are those sick videos where young puppies or cats are being crushed by a person's foot until they die. It is sickening to be sure but a recent US Supreme Court ruled (and it was led by the conservatives in the court) animal crush videos, while disturbing, are still legal and should form part of the right to free speech. Why? because any power by the state to limit such is the same as an arbitrary power by the state to, in fact, place a limit to speech and thought itself. Hence we must conclude that while Mr. Cruz has every right to do his shock art, he should also be mindful of the consequences of his art. Why? because ideas, Sir, have consequences.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Hindi puputok ang kontrobersyang ito kung hindi pinalaki ng media." >> Yes. Media loves scandal but not goody-goody stories. Now why is that?rnrnrn"ARGUMENTO: Kelangan pa ba ng senate investigation para sa isyung ito?" >> Well, my dear Mr. De Veyra, maybe it escapes your "artist/poet/activist" mind but the Senate can take up any topic under the sun. That's the way its rules are structured. Also, since the Senate also scrutinizes the budget of the CCP, it simply can't help itself but to interfere. rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Censorship ba ang nangyari sa exhibit sa CCP?" >> Let's see, the CCP voluntarily shut the exhibit down as it caved into public pressure. Did a government agency or official order them to shut it down? No. Did they agree to re-open the exhibit without Mr. Cruz's offending art? No. I think the censorship you are referring to is more of an illusion than something that can be justified by the facts.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Is it good art or bad art?" >> At least you got this somewhat right. But inconveniently for the psudo-intellectuals, the National Artist F. Sonil Jose alluded to it being uncivilized when he called it "immature".rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Subukan niya kayang gawin ‘yan sa mga Muslim, kay Mohammed at Allah? Tingnan natin kung hindi siya pugutan ng ulo." >> Aha! good point! and why is that? why is the anti-religion object of shock art always Christians? Of course your answer was a classic cop-out "Bawal ang mga imahe at lahat ng representasyon ng mga buhay na bagay sa Islam. Pansinin ang mga drawings sa Islamic art—puro patterns at kulay lang." You forget that Muslims forbid the mere drawing of the face of Mohammed and this was the basis for the Danish cartoon incident a few years back. How about the movie Fitna? where the movie showed how quotes from the Quran is inconsistent with violence in the Muslim world. Or what about the movie Submission, which showed the treatment of women in Islam? The director was gunned-down in broad daylight and the star (Ayaan Hirsi Ali) was persecuted? As an "artist/poet/activist" shouldn't you speak out about this when talking about this topic? Like I said, you coped-out.rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?" >> Well forgiveness starts with discernment then realization then admission. Nest is forgiveness and then restitution. So has Mr. Cruz even started any discussions with those he offended? or even recognized those he offended? rnrn"ARGUMENTO: Bakit hindi tayo ganito kabangis mag-react sa ibang bagay? Gaya ng mabagal na pag-usad ng Ampatuan Massacre trial? Gaya ng mga patong-patong na kaso ni GMA at asawa niya? Gaya ng sunod-sunod na nauungkat na kabulastugan sa PAGCOR? " >> Good point. Maybe you should lead the move to convince your fellow Filipinos not to vote the same oligarchs and landed politicians and their families in power. Maybe if you just took time to realize that solving or even starting to change the political system in the Philippines does not start by voting as President a scion of a powerful political clan. My dear Mr. De Veyra, it does not matter how smart you are unless you stop and think. rnrnrnBest,rnrnF. Bastiat

The closure of the exhibit is a government-sanctioned assault on every minority’s rnfreedom of religion, or lack of it, both of which the Constitution protects.rnrnThis is what the moralists forget when they demand limits on free speech—that the rightrn to free expression is not limited to speech rn

bakit umabot ke Cory & Pnoy ang usapan?

May nababalitaan ka ba na magagandang nagawa ni Abnoynoy? wala! Alam mo, kinokontrol tayo ng yellow media na pag aaring mga oligarkiya ng mga Aquino. Pilit na gumagawa ng kung anoanong isyu para matakpan, makalimutan, hindi maungkat ang tungkol sa performance ng Abnoynoy na yan. At itong si Lourd de Veyra ay nahawa na rin ng dilaw na lagnat na pinakalat ng dilaw na media, isa rin pala ito sa mga Tita Cory fans na alipunga na ito. Akala ko matino, balanse, malaya ang isip, hindi pala.

Pag tungkol sa relihiyon ang isyu napakabilis at napakalakas ng mga reaksyon dumating pa sa punto na naipasara ang installment. Napakabilis rumisponde! Pero kapag tungkol na sa gobyerno eh parang wala yatang pakialam ang pinoy? Kung meron man, eh bakit yata ambilis namang palipasin sa kamalayan?

Si Rizal noong mga huling taon niya ay isa siyang Freethinker, malaya na pagiisip ang uri ng pagktao niya sa mga huling mga taon niya. Sabi niya "ang kabanalan ay hindi nakukuha sa mahabang luhod, ang kabanalan ay hindi nakukuha sa mga bruwhaha ng simbahan, kundi ito ay nakukuha sa matinong pag iisip, sa matinong isip" hindi ibig sabihin Athiest si mokong. Kahit ako, ayaw ko ng mga bruwhaha ng simbahan na yan kaya nga hindi ako tumuloy sa theolohiya sa iskwelahan ng mga tigre. Sang ayon ako sa sinabi ni Dr. Alonzo Reolanda na ang kabanalan ay nasa balanse, tamang pag iisip, pero hindi ibig sabihin ay katulad ako ng mgs butiki at baboy damo na walang Dios. At hindi hipokrito na kunwari walang silang Dios at demonyo, eh meron namang kunsensya. wapak!

Lourd, i am a fan and enjoy reading your articles, but some of your points are weak. you didn't give a concrete rebuttal against the arguments that you enumerated.

ARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?rnrn"Forgiveness is given to those who repent and ask for it. And one may be forgiven, but he is not spared from the consequences of his actions." This is the how Christians view forgiveness.

@naisin sigurado ako nabasa ni rizal ung ex.20:1-6/ex25:17-22.nagtataka lng ako 1521 may rebulto na dala ang mga kastilla..hindi kinuwestyon ni ng mga indios bravos..pero bakit ung iba ngayon kaka asta mas matalino pa sa indios bravos?basa basa rin ng relihoyosong libro.wag puro yes mag.pocket books etc.kain muna ako ng sinigang na ube at chocolatestarfidh and hotdog flavored water..quitam kabalintunaan..

Ang tawag diyan ay pagmamahal! Hindi ka ba nag mamahal ha Mr Atheist? Freemind? Malayang isip sa mga dogma? paliwanag ng siyensya? Talino? balansehin mo nga Mr Atheist! mag isip ka nang matino. rnHindi ka makakatakas sa Dios dahil siya mismo ang papasok malalim sa loob mo kapag nakikita mo akong tinotoro ang pinakamamahal mong dalagitang anak na taga St Paul.

Sa mga Atheist jan, sigurado ka bang hindi ka naapektohan ng biblia? sigurado ka? sigurado ka? siguraduhin mo muna bago ka mag tatalak na parang naluging bakla!rnSigurado ka ba na tulad ka ng butiki na walang dios? sigurado ka ba na sapat na ang talino mo para itakwil ang Dios? hehehe. Mag isip ka muna Mr Atheist, bakit ka nag babayad ng buwis? bakit ka tumatawid sa tamang tawiran? bakit ka sumusunod sa batas ng estado? rnBakit ayaw mong gahasain ko ang anak mong Assumtionista at putukan sa mukha? rnkase may nararamdaman ka malalim sa loob mo. Bakit ayaw mong maging pakbog ang anak mong dalagita? kase may nararamdaman kang meron malalim sa loob mo na isang manifestation ng Dios, na epekto ng biblia sayo na kahit anong gawin mo ay hindi ka makakatakas!

Sa mga Atheist jan, sigurado ka bang hindi ka naapektohan ng biblia? sigurado ka? sigurado ka? siguraduhin mo muna bago ka mag tatalak na parang naluging bakla!rnSigurado ka ba na tulad ka ng butiki na walang dios? sigurado ka ba na sapat na ang talino mo para itakwil ang Dios? hehehe. Mag isip ka muna Mr Atheist, bakit ka nag babayad ng buwis? bakit ka tumatawid sa tamang tawiran? bakit ka sumusunod sa batas ng estado? Bakit ayaw mong gahasain ko ang anak mong Assumtionista at putukan sa mukha? kase may nararamdaman ka malalim sa loob mo. Bakit ayaw mong maging pokpok ang anak mong dalagita? kase may nararamdaman ka malalim sa loob mo na isang manifestation ng Dios, na epekto ng biblia sayo na kahit anong gawin mo ay hindi ka makakatakas! Gungong!

Mathew, Mark, Luke at John ay sinulat ang buhay at mga salita ni Kristo. Ang mga pintor tulad ni Michelangelo, Raphael, Da Vinci ay pininta ang buhay at imahe ni Kristo.rnrnPalayain nyo nga ang isip nyo, mag isip kayo na parang payong, dungawan sa ibaba ang lahat at balansehin.rnrnAng mga athiest ay ang mga numero unong hipokrito! Wala daw silang dios pero meron namang mga konsensya. Mga Ungasis! Papano ka nagkaroon ng konsensya? tanong mo nga sa sarili mo! rnNgayon mag didipensa ka, wala naman akong kunsensya kuya. Sige nga, kung wala kang kunsensya, pwede ko ba kalikutin ang naglalaway ang buli ng anak mong Assumptionista at putukan sa mukha sa harapan mo? may mararamdaman ka ba o masasarapan ka rin panoorin ako habang tinotoro ko ang anak mong Assumptinista? rnrnSige nga sa mga athiesta jan! magkasubukan nga tayo!

early christian tradition before the formation of the bibble,christians in their churches used statues and pictures.the 4th century historian eusebius tells us that he had seen a statue of christ' arms out stretched'(church history,book7ch.8)the oldest pictures of mary and the child jesus are found in the catacomb of priscilla in rome,dating back to the 2nd century!even before the bible was formed,paintings,and statues catechized people by reproducing the events the gospel.

god reveals himself in a visible form(daniel7:9the holy spirit reveals himself in a visible form of a dove(mt.3:16)and tounges of fire(acts2:1-4) christ is the visible image of invisible god(2cor.4:6) when god said not to bow before them,it meant not to worship them nor respct them,as they all were fake gods.catholic devotees,who bow before a statue,are not necessarily worshipping them!when we bow before the statues of our national heroes,does that mean we worship them?this practice varies from culture to culture.in japan,india,and some of the middle eastern countries,bowing is used as an expression of respect.

At sinong nagsabing takot si Mideo sa muslim ? Hindi magandang subject ang muslim kasi bale wala sila at iilan lang ang muslim sa Pinas.

Itong Lord na itong ungasis na to, isa itong alipunga sa lipunan, napaka hipokrito ng taong ito, maka Tita Cory din ang kumag na to. Akala ko matino ang pagiisip ng angol na to. Gusto mo lang yata mag artista! Walang tatanggap sayo mag artista dahil ang mga bobong pinoy ayaw ng balugang tulad mo.

i don't understand it either. i was hoping your observation is incorrect but i am afraid your observation appears to be correct...very sad.

I don't understand why this de vera guy is getting popular....so sad.

Kisspepet, mapagpatawad ang Katolico, kung ginawa niya ito sa Muslim pinugutan na siya ng ulo. Ngayon, sikat pa nga siya e. May araw din siya, sabi nga.

kung sa tingin mo okey ang sining mo at waal kang takot sa husga ng tao... lumabas na din na wala kang pakialam sa sagradong relihiyon .. kaya bhay ka pa sigurado nahusagahan ka na .. sa impyerno ang tuloy mo .. walang kaduda-duda.. freedom of expression ito ha .. walang kokontra .. namo mideo!!!!!

puro kayo ka-ekekan! kesyo gawin sa tatay niya or sa nanay niya! magsitigil nga kayong lahat. kung nasasagwaan kayong lahat, wag tumigin. wag tignan! katulad na rin ng mga pelikula ni senador jinggoy, sa ganang akin ay hindi "art", kundi sayang ang perang ibabayad ko.rnisama mo na lahat ng mga bishop, alam ba ninyo ang mukha ng Diyos? may pa rosa-rosaryo pa sa CCP! ang ipagdasal ninyo nag mga nangugurakot sa bayan, ang mga batang lansangan, ang mga ofw na nasa gitna ng kaguluhan para lang makapagpadala ng pera sa mga minamahal sa buhay!, ang mga walang trabajo na nagiisip na gumawa ng di kanaisnais. rnleave cruz' art alone! kung inggit ka gumawa ka ng sarili mong "art"rn

@karlo69: ARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?rnrnKala ko rin eh.rnrndi mo yata to naiintindihan.

mga bobo ata ang mga senador ngayon, hindi porket atheist e satanista na. hindi ata nila alam na sa mga nag iisip na tao "walang diyos wala rin kaming demonyo, ay meron pala ang mga bobong namamahala sa bansa na makapal ang muka sa pag kukurap ng bansa"

Lumabas ang mga galit, pangungutya at paglibak ng mga taong umanoy nasa panig ng panginoon. nagbigay ng hatol sa mga obra at sining ng paglapastangan umano sa kanilang diyos. Hinatulan na ang may sala. Ayon sa kanila, DAPAT ITAKWIL AT IPAKO SA KRUS ANG ALAGAD NG SINING NA NANGAHAS YUMURAK SA KRISTIYANISMO! Nagkaisa silang lahat. Ang HATOL: IPAKO SA KRUS SI MIDEO CRUZ kasama ng kanyang mapangahas na obra.... Si Mideo Cruz na ang tanging kasalanan ay nangahas ipahayag ang kanyang malikot na imahinasyon... na ang tanging pagkakasala ay katulad din ng pagkakasala ni Kristo nang buong tapang nitong ipahayag at ipaglaban ang sariling paniniwala. rnrnAyon sa mga banal, dapat parusahan si Mideo Cruz sa kanyang kapangahasan... Sa kanyang pagkalapastangan... Hindi pa man ay may hatol na ang mga tao at ang simbahan... tulad din ng kung paanong daang tao ang hinatulan at binitay noong panahon ng "DARK AGES" sa sinumang magpapahayag ng taliwas sa paniniwala ng simbahan. Ang tawag sa mga taong may ibang paniniwala sa kabanalan ng simbahan ay mga demonyo, "witches", kampon ng kadiliman at kung anu ano pang paglalapit sa pangalan ng DEMONYO o ni LUCIFER.rnrnHIndi na kailangan pang mamatay ni Mideo Cruz para lang malaman niya kung siya ba ay pupunta sa impiyerno o sa langit. Hindi na siya dapat pang humarap sa diyos para alamin ang kanyang paroroonan; kung buhay na walang hanggang o buhay sa impiyerno. Sapagkat humatol na ang mga banal... na si Mideo Cruz ay walang puwang sa langit at bagkus ay dapat lamang tuluyang tumuloy sa Impyerno.rnrnOO, siguro nga ay banal ang mga naniniwala kay Kristo at sila lamang ang may karapatan na magsabi ng MALI at TAMA, ng gawang MAKADIYOS AT MAKA IMPIYERNO. rnrnHIndi na dapat pang antayin ang paghuhukom... hindi na dapat pang humarap sa diyos upang malaman kung saan ka nararapat batay sa iyong nagawa sa lupa.... SAPAGKAT dito pa lamang ay marunong nang humatol ang tao...rnrnIPAKO SA KRUS SI MIDEO CRUZ!!! katulad ng ginawa ng mga HUDYO KAY KRISTO. ang kanilang pagkakasala: NANGAHAS MAGPAHAYAG NG KANILANG PANINIWALA!rnrnNGAYON BUMATO ANG MALILINIS... NGAYON UNANG BUMATO ANG WALANG SALA.... tulad ng paghamon ni KRISTO sa kumukutya kay MAGDALENA.

gusto lng nya sumikat, kpg siya lng ipako at lalagyan ng ari ng lalaki n korona eh ndi sya sisikat, khit tatay o nanay nya lagyan ng ganon ndi tama!!!

Sobrang OA nyo. Walang wala yang art na yan sa ginawa nung crusades. Ang daming namatay na tao para palaganapin ang relihiyong ROman Catholic.Di nila nirespeto pananampalataya ng iba.

sino ba o ano ba ang tinira sa naturang art? hindi ba't ang imaheng representasyon ng relihiyong katoliko? sino dapat ang mag react? normal lang naman siguro na may ma offend sa gawa ni mideo cruz diba? mas nakakapag taka pa siguro kung wala. rnrnsa mga nag sasabing bakit yung ibang art ni kwan, ni ano, bakit walang nag react? una, hindi naman aware ang majority dun. eto, pinalawak at ikinalat ng media. mapapansin mo ba ang isang bagay na hindi mo alam? pwede ka bang mag react sa bagay na hindi mo naman nalalaman? rnrnsa mga nag sasabing hindi naman yan ang tunay na anyo ni kristo. oo, wala ngang nakakalam. at hindi man eksako, yun ang muka o imaheng nabuo na sa isipan ng mga katoliko. ganun pa rin, nilagyan pa rin ng ari sa noo ang imahe na sinasabing si hesu kristo. may iba pa bang lalabas na pangalan pag nakita mo ang larawan ng mamang may balbas at bigote bukod kay hesus? kung alam mo ang station of the cross, alam mo kung pano nabuo ang imahe na iyon. rnrnnormal lang magalit kay mideo cruz, pero kalokohan na padaain pa 'to sa senado at kung ano anong sangay ng gobyerno na gagastos lang naman ng pera pang kape at pang hamburger habang nakikinig sa mga nagbabangayang sektor. rnrndun lang tayo sa normal na reaksyon. wag OA.

@ santiago vargas.rnrnPare, mukhang may tagas ka na sa utak ah. patingin ka na kung ako sayo. mukhang di ka na ayos mag isip eh. kakalabas mo lang ba sa mental?

Ang numero unong hipokrita wala nang iba kundi ang sinasabi ng dilaw na media na santa kuno, Cory Aquino! Alam ba ninyo na siya ang huling command, siya ang huling nag utos sa Mendiola Massacre! ngayon alam na ninyo. Eh itong si Lourd na ito nasilaw din ng dilaw na propaganda, dilaw na media ng mga Aquino na Inquirer at ABS - CBN. Ayan, mga hipokrito! Nawalan ako ng gana ng malaman kong maka Tita Cory din pala ang Lourd na ito! rnrnMmmrrwwaahh!!! (hagod ng lalamunan galing sa baga sabay dura) Pwwaahh! ayan plema para sayo!rn

@ naitan ung mga buddist ,muslim yumuyuko cla.saka ung mga foreigner ,pag bumisita cla dito nag aalay ng bulaklak.worship idol na rin ba?ung flag nga natin bawal sulatan...john lennon was misqoute by media ..were popular than jesus..,

i pity the fools who subcribed to a religion where they cant practice what they preach. rnrnshame to all the hypocrites at sa lahat ng mga ignoranteng na brainwashed. haha. :D

ang sining ay para sa mga intelektual na tao lamang...

punto asintado!

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Madami ang artist na relihiyon ang paksa tulad nina Da Vinci, Micheal Angelo, Raphael at madami pang iba, pero hndi naman sila bastos tulad ng ginawa ng Cruz na yan na nilagyan ng t*t* ang mukha ng larawan ni Cristo. "Nilagyan ng burat na kahoy ang mukha ng larawan ni Kristo" Ulitin mo nga sa isip mo, ulit ulitin mo, tama ba yan? Tukmol talaga ang angungulkol na Lourd na ito, lumalabas na ayos lang iyon sayo. Mararamdaman mo sa loob mo, sa sarii mo kung maganda ang likhang sining o hinde. Kung ang sining ay may kalidad, pinag isipan, tumutulak ng hangganan ng paglilikha, nagpapalaya ng isipan, nag bibigay inspirasyon. Eh yung ginawa ni Cruz? Inspirasyon sa mga kabataan? Humalik ka nalang sa puwet ng mga Aquino Lourd, halata na naman na maka Cory ka, isa ka rin pala sa mga biktima ng dilaw na media, akala ko pa naman orihinal ka, matatag, natitinag ka rin pala at nasisilaw ng kulay dilaw.

Itong si Lourd na ito maka Aquino din pala ang tamulmol na ito, maka Cory din pala ang umal na ito. Sa una ay ayos, bilib sana ako kase nga Redio Active...poetry poetry, tapos nalaman kong maka Aquino din pala ang ukay na to, nawalan ako ng gana. Sumisipsip kaba sa mga Aquino? humahalik ka ba sa puwet nila? o kailangan mo lang gawin para may pambili ng extra rice? Tapos sa tono mo parang ayos sayo ang ginawa ni Cruz? experimento ba yun? ang tawag doon ay "papansin", hindi art. Alam niya sa una palang na puputaktihin siya ng media kaya ginawa niya iyon para lang sumikat yang turak na yan. Ituloy mo lang ang pagsipsip mo sa mga Aquino, ayos yan, baka mawirikan ka rin ng mga nakaw na yaman nila.

Dapat ilagay sa isip ng mga alagad ng sining na pagdating sa pagpapahayag ng kanilang obra ay maging maingat lalo na at ang paksa ng kanyang obra ay tungkol sa relihiyon…..sa kasaysayan, ang ilang mga taga-sunod ng isang relihiyon ay nagiging malupit, mapangahas at hindi mapagpatawad kapag ang kanilang paniniwala ay nasaling o naalipusta ayon sa kanilang interpretasyon kahit pa sabihin na ang aral na itinuturo ng kanyang relihiyon ay pagpapatawad, kapayapaan at pang-unawa. Kuha n’yo mga alagad ng sining?!

ok nandyan na ang karapatan nila ipahayag ang kung anu mang gusto nila sa larangan ng sining,, pero after all we claim our country to be a "christian" country, nararapat lamang na talagang bigyang pansin ng mga nauukulan ang mga ganyang bagay.. kahit man dyan sa maliit na bagay na yan makita nila na may authority ang mga namumuno at hindi kinakayakaya lang ng mga mismong mamamayan ng pinas.. anu pa kaya sa mga dayuhan kung makaastaasta nalang satin..

so be it

2thessalonians2:15 therefore,brethren,stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught,wether by word or our epistle....ung god song ni john may line sa dulo na and the dream is over..

the realmeaning of idolatry is not prohibiting statues and paintings but worshipping fake gods and commiting sins as paul says;"put top death the parts of you that are earthly."immorality,impurity,passion,evil desire and that lust that is idolatry.col.3:5 or attend a mass of feasr of black nazzarene.concentrate on readings.all of you will enlighten about images

for all the detractors of roman catholic read.roma;c1v28-31godcommanded to make images.exodo25:17-22,exodo:36:35,hebreo9:1-5

Putulin ang Ti_i niya at idikit sa kanyang noo.

christian ako and i find the art insulting NOT TO THE CHURCH but to the individual believer. I mean, TINGNAN NIYO NGA ANG TITLE --- POLITEISMO. Pagsamba sa maraming diyos. Naiinsulto ang mga mananampalataya kasi totoo ang sinasabi ni cruz --- hindi lang si Yahweh sinasamba natin.rnrnSinasamba natin ang Amerika at ang American dream.rnSinasamba natin ang magagandang mukha sa mga magasin, ang mga payat na kurba sa FHM na photoshop/belo masterpiece lang.rnSinasamba natin yung mamahalin nating porsche na hindi man lang natin namamaneho (baka magasgasan)rnetc.rnrnNung nakita ko yung naunang version ng sining na ito, ang unang pumasok sa isip ko ay ang bersong "You brood of vipers, you brood of hypocrites" --- salita ni Hesus laban sa mga relihiyosong pariseo.rnrnNagreact yung mga kaparian na nasilaw ng pajero.rnNagreact yung mga matatandang hindi naniniwala sa talentong binigay ng Diyos sa anak (wala akong pakialam kung magaling ka magdrawing anak, mag-nursing ka na lang)rnNagreact yung mga relihiyosong "I worship God" daw pero hindi man lang magawang umusal ng dasal.rnrnNainsulto ako kasi kahit nagsisimba ako, napagtanto ko na bukod sa araw ng linggo ay hindi ko man lang mabuklat ang aking bibliya.

subukan mo kaya gawin yan kay muhamad sa bansang islam, sa loob ng 24 oras pugot ang ulo mo! rnyung lang naman, respeto lang ang hinihingi ng grupong kristyano... hindi ka naman mapupugutan ng ulo

"Ang tula para kay Mideo Cruz"rnrn KULO rnrnAni mo'y isang pintor na sikat,rnIyong mabahong likhang pinakalat;rnBuong akala mo'y ubrang kay hirap,rnAng kaluluwa mo'y sunugin kay sarap.rnrnKahanga-hanga ang mag pinta,rnKung ang ubra nito ay parang kanta;rnNgunit sa iyong madilim na perspikto,rnWala kang pinagkaiba sa Diablo.rnrnAming nadarama ang pait at hinagpis,rnNa iyong inukit sa isang papel at lapis;rnIsang mahapdi na kay labis-labis,rnSa aming puso'y dumampi di kayang matiis.rnrnAng pagkasala sa ating artiKULO,rnAy higit pa ang parusa ng bersiKULO;rnParang yakap na lagablab ng santelmo,rnAt tagus ng balaraw sa puso mo..

Mga Bleeding Hearts,rnrnHindi niyo pa rin maintindihan na hindi ang HesuKristo niyo ang pinatatamaan. KAYO. Kayong hindi na naman umaayon ang galaw o diwa sa tinuturo. Sunday believers, mga umiyak nung napanood ang Passion of the Christ pero matapos ang lahat, babalik din sa mga normal na ginagawa. Bakit si Kristo pa ang ginamit na imahe at hindi mga obispo na pinatatamaan din sana ng artist? Bakit, yung mga obispo ba yung sinasamba niyo? Hindi naman sila yung simbolo ng Christianity. Pwede siguro kapag ang pinapakita ay ang simbolo ng pagtatambal ng relihiyon at politiko, pero hindi ito ang ipinakita. Gusto ipakita ng artist ang mga nakikita niya sa kultura ng relihiyon sa Pilipinas.rnrnSa madaling salita? Eto ang mga nakita niya sa inyo. Kaya masakit siyang tanggapin kasi pikon tayo.

Hindi naman si Jesus yung asa picture. Representasyon lang iyon ng "idea" natin kung anong hitsura ni Jesus. Yaong representasyon lang na yun ang binaboy ni Mideo, at hindi si Jesus. Yung dogma ang kinikuwistyon ni Mideo at hindi yaong personal na pananampalataya ninyo.

I support Mideo Cruz. I support his art. Nakakatawa tong mga wannabe christian faithful na to. Matindi paniniwala at pananalig nyo sa diyos nyo di ba? Yung diyos nyo ay makapangyarihan? Sa tingin nyo galit yung diyos nyo kay Mideo Cruz? Kung totoong makapangyarihan ang diyos nyo na binastos ni Mideo Cruz, eh di hayaan nyo yung dios nyo ang magparusa kay Mideo. Yung diyos nyo dapat ang magtanggol sa sarili nya at sa inyo, hindi kayo kasi nga di ba omnipotent sya? Hayaan nyo si Mideo, imahe lang yun ng tao, na di nyo nga sigurado kung diyos nga. Dapat magalit kayo sa mga sectang tumutuligsa sa inyo, tumitira sa mga aral nyo, hindi sa taong ginamit ang imahe bilang expression ng kanyang likha.rn

ang relhiyon at pulitika ay magkaiba ngunit ang pulitika ngaun ginagamit ang kademonyohan sa pulitika na nag papahirap sa milion miliong pilipino ngunit kahit tahasan na ginagawa sa milion milion nating kababayan nag bu2lag bulagan tau,,,,,,, sa tingin ko si medeo kruz ay gusto lamang gamitin ang diyos sa kanyang mga likha upang gisingin tau sa kato2hanan kalayaan at pani2ndigan.. ngunit binigyan ito ng maling kahulogan ng marami sa atin...ang pag galang sa isang bagay ay hindi lng sa pisikal na aspeto ginagwa.. bagkos kung paano mo ito isasaPUSO...

your FREEDOM ENDS when the FREEDOM of other BEGINS...respeto lang sana ipinairal ni mideo, hindi porket meron tayong freedom of expression e babastusin na nya yung paniniwala ng iba.

This quote support this article. rnrn"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." rn- Mahatma Gandhi rnrnWasak! rnrn

ARGUMENTO: Bakit hindi tayo ganito kabangis mag-react sa ibang bagay? Gaya ng mabagal na pag-usad ng Ampatuan Massacre trial? Gaya ng mga patong-patong na kaso ni GMA at asawa niya? Gaya ng sunod-sunod na nauungkat na kabulastugan sa PAGCOR? rnrnTAMA KA, MAY MGA KASAMA TAYO NA MAS MABANGIS ANG PAGSAGOT NILA HINGIL SA ISYUNG ITO. HINDI AKO NAKATITIYAK SUBALIT MARAHIL DAHIL ITO AY MAY KINALAMAN SA PANINIWALA. GAYA KO AT ILANG NATING MGA KASAMA, MASAKIT SA AMIN ANG MABASTOS ANG AMING PANGINOON.rn

ARGUMENTO: Subukan niya kayang gawin ‘yan sa mga Muslim, kay Mohammed at Allah? Tingnan natin kung hindi siya pugutan ng ulo. rnrn...Pagdating sa ganyang mga bagay, walang sense of humor ang mga radikal na Muslim.rnrnMARAHIL DITO MAGKAKASALUNGAT MULI. HINDI NAKATATAWA PARA SA AMIN ANG PAMBABASTOS SA PANINIWALA NG MGA MUSLIM, KRISTIYANO O ANO MANG RELIHIYON.

ARGUMENTO: Kelangan pa ba ng senate investigation para sa isyung ito?rnrnAndaming problema ng Pilipinas...rnrnSUMASANG-AYON AKO SA IYO. HINALAL NATIN ANG ATING MGA POLITIKO UPANG BIGYAN PANSIN AT LUNAS ANG MGA BAGAY NA MAS MAHALAGA.

ARGUMENTO: Hindi puputok ang kontrobersyang ito kung hindi pinalaki ng media. rnrnHudyat na ba ito ng pagkakahati-hati ng opinyon ng luma at makabagong henerasyon?rnrnTAMA KA MARAHIL, AT PINALAKI ITO NG MEDIA. GAYA MO, TRABAHO NILA ITO. MAYROON SUMOSOBRA, MAYROON NAGKUKULANG, AT MAYROON TAMA LANG.rnrnKUNG SASABIHIN MO NA PAGKAKASALUNGAT ITO NG MGA HENERASYON, MARAMI SA AMIN ANG HINDI SASANG-AYON SA IYO. KUNG SASABIHIN MONG PAGKAKASALUNGAT ITO NG MGA TAONG NANINIWALA SA ABSOLUTE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION LABAN SA RESPECT, MARAHIL PAKIKINGGAN AT PANINIWALAAN KA NAMIN.

ARGUMENTO: Kalayaan ng pamamahayag vs. tahasang pambabastos sa paniniwala ng mas nakakarami?rnrnMadugo talaga pag nag-krus ang landas ng sining at relihiyon...rnrnKAGAYA NG AKING ARGUMENT SA SINUNDAN NA COMMENT, HINDI NATIN MAARING SABIHIN IPASADIYOS ANG PAMBABASTOS. MABABAW NA ARGUMENT ITO.

ARGUMENTO: Ang naturang pambabastos ba ay magpapabagsak sa matatag na institusyon ng Iglesia Katolika? rnrnAng kasaysayan ay punumpuno ng mga erehe at atheista...rnrnKUNG LAHAT NG PAMBABASTOS SA RELIHIYON AY NAIS MONG IPASA-DIYOS NA LANG, PARA MO NA RIN SINABING BASTUSIN KA NAMIN AT IPASADIYOS MO NA LANG NAG KAPARUSAHAN. NAIISIP MO BA KUNG ANO ANG MANGYAYARI SA MUNDO KAPAG LAHAT NG PAMBABASTOS AY PINASASADIYOS NA LANG?

ARGUMENTO: Ang Cultural Center of the Philippines ay isang pampublikong institusyon na pinopondohan ng buwis ng taumbayan. At hindi dapat ginagamit para sa kung ano-anong kabulastugan na tutuligsa sa pinakasagradong sentimiyento ng mga tao. rnrnOo. Pero bakit walang umangal noong...rnrnTAMA KA, DAPAT UMANGAL ANG MGA TAO NOON KUNG SAKALI MAN TOTOO ANG SINASABI MO. NAGKAMALI TAYO SAPAGKAT HINDI TAYO UMANGAL. NAGKAMALI NA NGA TAYO NOON HINDI TAYO NAGREKLAMO NGAYON BAKIT PA NATIN GAGAWIN MULI ANG MALING ITO? PARA MO NA RIN SINABI NA MAARI BUGBUGIN NI PEDRO SI JUAN KASI NOON PINATAY SI DIEGO SI MARIA, WALANG NAGREKLAMO.

ARGUMENTO: Paano kung may kumuha ng picture ng magulang mo at biglang sinalpakan ng kahoy na t*t* at mga gamit na condom?rnrnSiyempre, maba-bad trip...rnrnTAMA KA, DAPAT NATIN UNAWAIN ANG ATING KAPWA. ANG TANONG, ANO ANG DAPAT NATING GAWIN MAKARAAN NATIN UNAWAIN ANG MGA NAGKAMALI? DAPAT BA NATIN PABAYAAN NA LANG SILA (INDIFFERENT) O DAPAT NATIN SILANG BAGUHIN SA PAMAMAGITAN NG KAPARUSAHAN? SUNDAN NATIN ANG "ARGUMENT" MO. KAPAG PINATAY ANG KAMAG-ANAK MO, DAPAT BA NAMIN UNAWAIN NA LANG ANG PUMATAY? KAPAG LAHAT AY SUSUNDAN KA, PARA MO NA RIN SINABING LAHAT TAYO GUMAWA NG KALOKOHAN TUTAL UUNAWAIN NA LANG TAYO NG MGA INAPAKAN NATIN.rnrn

walang kwenta ka ngayon, freak

Mideo wants to be an icon sa mundo ng sining at paano ka makikilala if you will not cross the border of impossibility. He wants to be the subject of intrigue and he hit it big with his new masterpieces of unholy artworks.

Nabanggit ni Lourd yung metal bands ng Marikina, haha! Tama nga naman...rnAndami daming mas matindi pang art na nagagawa dito sa 'pinas na lumalaban sa imahe ng Kristyanismo. Siguro dapat isa-isahin na rin yun, no?rnSimple lang naman kasi. Sobrang dami ng problema naten dito sa Pilipinas, bakit kung saan-saan tayo nagfofocus, 'di ba? Bago tayo mamuna ng kung anu-ano, tapusin muna dapat yung mga isyung mas mahalaga kesa dito. Ayun.

(Psalms 53:1) “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.”

Ang dami mong daldal lourd. sa lahat naman ng sinabi mo wala namang tumama. Sa totoo lang ang intensyon ni Mideo Cruz sa art niya ay upang kutyain ang Diyos na hindi niya pinaniniwalaan (gaya ni lourd de Veyra). he used the images as a means to serve his end kasi alam niya na Catholics see them as the imahe of God himself. Pero ang gusto nya talagang ipahiwatig is that he despises God and does not believe in his existence. Gnayan talaga ang mga anak ng unggoy. Asal Hayop! Pinapaniwala nila ang sarili nila na walang Diyos para nga naman walang accountability. Di ba Lourd?

Ewan ko ba kung bakit ang daming t**ng t** ke Lourd de Veyra e ang t*ng* tanga naman. Di mo ba naisip Lourd na ang motibo ni Mideo Cruz sa art nya e para kutyain ang Diyos na katulad mo e di nya pinaniniwalaan? Yung ginamit nyang mga imahe are just the means to serve his purpose. Since karamihan kasi sa Pilipinas ay katoliko who equate these images to God himself ito ang kanyang binaboy to show that he despises God and he doesn't believe in Him. Ganyan talaga ang ugali nyong ng mga taong galing sa unggoy Lourd. Asal hayop! Pinapaniwala niyo ang sarili nnyo na walang Diyos para nga naman wala kayong acccountability.

Bakit natin kailangan magalit sa mga nangyari kay Mideo at hindi sa mga bagay na dapat tuunan ng pansin?rnrnDahil madali tayong bigyan ng isang ideya at papaypayan ng media ang apoy. Isasalang ng mga kinauukulan ang mga napakaliit na bagay na hindi naman importante dahil ito'y madrama. Appeal to the masses. Screw with my hard earned cash but please, never with the images of what I believe in. Ang labo no?rnrnGalit na galit sa Poletiesmo. Kasi ba hinalo ng isang tao yung nakikita niyang nangyayari sa relihiyon sa ating bansa? Walang pinagkaiba sa pop culture at mga bagay na pinapaganda pakiramdam natin ng pansamantala? Coca cola, Obama, teleserya, panginoon na naaalala lang pag Linggo (pilitan pa yan) or pag may malupit na pangangailangan (nahuling may 2 kilo ng cocaine. Patay ka boy.) Gagawa lang ng paraan para kunwari importante ang isang bagay na hindi na naman sinusunod. rnrnAng sarap kasi maging emotional eh. Gawan nalang natin ng short film.rnrn

hehe

If I draw each Senator in the Philippines with a big cock in their forehead, may magagawa ba sila. So simple....

Mang Mideo, sana mga politiko at mga lider na lang ng simbahan ang binastos mo. Wala naman atraso sa iyo si KRISTO ba't sya pa ang napag-tripan mo.

sana naman makonsensya siya sa ginawa niyang kababuyan at kahayupan sa ating pinakamamahal na Diyos na si Panginoong Hesukristo. rnrnPara sa akin napakasama ng ginawa niya na dapat ay turingan siyang hindi tao kundi Satanas sa ibabaw ng lupa. Ngayon naintindihan ko na na totoong may demonyo at siya ay naglalakad sa ibabaw ng lupa. hindi ito gawain ng isang matinong tao kundi gawain ng isang demonyo. rnrnsana man lang ay humingi siya ng tawad sa lahat ng Kristiyano at ayusin ang kanyang binaboy. Sana rin ay gumawa siya ng art na maganda at hindi pambabastos.

hindi rin ako ayon dun sa installation art ni mideo pero hindi pa rin dapat pinasara 'yung exhibit. bawat indibidwal may kakayahang mag-isip 'kung nakakabastos sa kanya ang isang bagay. lahat tayo dapat maghangad na matuto nang proseso ng pag-iisip 'kung ano ang kahulugan ng anumang bagay na ating nakikita o naririnig. rnrnang kaisipan na kayang magdesisyon ng mga iilang tao 'kung ano ang maganda sa pangit, kung ano ang bastos o hindi, 'kung ano ang tama sa mali, 'kung ano ang art sa hindi--- 'yun ang lantarang pambabastos sa kakayahan ng isang tao para mag-isip para sa sarili nya. rnrnganun lang talaga siguro. madamot at seloso lang talaga ang tao. insecure kasi sa mga kahinaan nya. buti na lang hindi ganyan ang panginoon.

CATHOLIC's please READ "EXODUS 20:3-6".. Wag kayong mahurt sa gawa ni Mideo Cruz kasi FIRST AND FOREMOST : The Picture was not JESUS at all.. its just a man who posed for that picture. IDOLS or commonly known as rebultos should not be worshipped at all. Anong kabastusan dun? Ang nabastos ung taong nagpose dun. Not JESUS! WHY BE HURT diba? THE IDEA IS ITS A JUST A PERSON IN THE PICTURE. Do anyone here saw JESUS' face? Why can you be so sure na binastos Siya at Siya ung nsa picture?

ARGUMENTO: Kelangan pa ba ng senate investigation para sa isyung ito?rnrnpara may pogi points ang mga senador sa cbcp para sa susunod na halalan.

Hindi lahat ng nasa isip ay kailangang, sabihin, ipinta, o iukit. Alalahanin muna ang epekto nito sa lipunan. Ito ba ay makabubuti o makakasama. Oo, may kalayaan tayong magpahayag, pero kaakibat nito ay ang ating responsibilidad, kaya nararapat lamang na timbangin natin ang ating ipapahayag. Ngayon, sabihin nyo kung ano ang magandang naidulot sa lipunan ng inyong obra. Wala yata kayong ibang bukambibig kundi ang inyong kalayaan na magpahayag... Lahat ng karapatan ay may limitasyon!

ARGUMENTO: Bakit hindi tayo ganito kabangis mag-react sa ibang bagay? rnrnbaka daw maungkat at mabuko ang mga obispo sa mga katarantaduhan nila tulad ng mga SUVishops at mga rapist na alagad ng diyos.

ARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?rnrnrnOpinion lang:rnIndeed true.rnPero sana alam natin na mapapatawad ka lamang kung sa sarili mo inamin mong may kasalanan ka at buo sa iyong sensiridad na gusto mong mapatawad. Hindi automatic na "oops mali ako, patawad ha". Minsan kelangan din kasing ipamulat sa atin na hindi porke biniyayaan tayo ng "freedom" e okay na. With great freedom, comes with great responsibilty. Think before you act para maiwasan ang pagkakamali. :)

Hindi po tama na i-label na Kristianismo per-see ang religion ng Romano Catolico. That is, RCC is a religion and not Christianity at all. rnrnYes true Christianity, as exemplified by the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible, is a religion of forgiveness and understanding. And obviously, the reaction of the ''elders'' of RCC is a clear misrepresentation of His person or of the Christian faith.

actually, kasalanan to ng taga CCP na pumayag sa exhibit na ito. ang artistic value ng obra dapat mas mabigat kumpara sa pagiging offensive nya sa mga katoliko. mahirap tanggapin ng isang katoliko(kahit sira ulo na kagaya ko) si jesus bilang simbolo ng katolisismo ang bastusin sa publiko. Makakasapak ka talaga ng tao. kung sa mga pari sya may galit, dapat imahe na lang ng pari ang ginamit nya. it boils down to the gay vs priest problem! ang masaklap dito ginamit lang ang imahe ni jesus para sa sariling gratipikasyon. welcome back, lourd!

Walang problema sa Kristiyanismo, lahat ng tinuturo nito ay tama, ang problema lang talaga ay ang mga Kristiyano mismo. At tama ka ang Kristiyanismo ay pagpapatawad at pagunawa pero ang Kristiyano mismo ay hindi gingawa ito, kaya wag nating isisi sa Kristiyanismo kung hindi sa mga Kristiyanong hindi nagiging tunay sa pagiging Kristiyano

@tounge of colicabrnrnParang mali ata ng references mo sa bible. Hindi yun paukol sa paggawa sa imahe ng Diyos kundi kung paano gawin ang Ark of the Covenant.rnrnTry reading on:rnExodus 20:4-6rnActs 17:29-3rn1 Corinthians 10:14, 19-22rnrnNakakatawa kasi sa inyong mga katoliko sarado e hindi kayo nagbabasa ng bibliya pero kung maka-atungal kayo e akala niyo tama lahat ng pinaggagawa niyo.rnrnBakit kaya mga katoliko lang ang umangal dito? Bakit hindi ang ibang mga Christian religions? Dahil nagbabasa sila ng bibliya at alam nila na hindi tama ang pagsasalarawan ng Diyos sa isang imahe o rebulto.

Good and Bad is just a of PERCEPTION at the end of the day. There's NO such thing as ABSOLUTE right and wrong. Whoever believes this is still living in the Darkness Age Of IGNORANCE.

Hindi naman ginawa ang artikulong ito para sagutin ang mga tanong nyo. Ginawa ito upang sagutin nating mga mambabasa kung san nga ba ang ating katayuan sa isyung ito. Bakit natin hahanapin ang sagot sa ibang tao. Ang artikulong ito ay ginawa upang tyo ay mag isip, manilay-nilay, hindi upang manghusga.rnNakikibasa ka na nga lang eh...

ang galing. I had the same perspective and set of arguments though not as humorous as you delivered. Well done.rnrnThe lessons we learned:rnrn#1rnGo against the Church and they will destroy your credibility. rnApart from divinity and beyond, They can persecute because supposedly they thought they are the majority. Yes 80% percent of Filipinos are Christians but less than half of these cant be even considered as one.rnrn#2rnAfter they destroy your credibility. They will continue to hound you. Beware.rnrn#3rnBut what is more scarier is that they are capable of persecuting someone or something(like Rh bill) that go against every fiber of their dogmatic constitution in short their own Faith.rnrn#4rn"Freedom of Expression" is a very difficult subject matter. Even how much we considered to be free something makes us always bounded into some societal or moral code of ethics anyways. Yet we need this freedom why? come'on how did you think humanity survived this long. Sadly only for those few are give the real gift, other are nakikiFreedom of Expression lang pag meron nang taong tatayo at humahaharap sa kalaban.rnrn#5rnAs an artist, fear should not strike our hearts because of this event. rnFor generations they had called us anarchist of order. Yet we only stand to interpret what we see.rnrnTo Mr. Cruz: ser magaling. hayaan niyo bayani naman ang itatawag sainyo nang mga susunod na henerasyon.

"Mas malala ba ang “blasphemous” na sining kesa sa mga tarantandong politikong nagnanakaw ng pera mo?"rnrnHaha, people should indeed put things in perspective. Labo.

Kung ang pangkarapatan at ang moral ang pinagusapan. sapat lang ang sundin ang pagkarapatan pang tao kasi may protection ang buhay sa bawt isa. Kung ang pang moral ang susundin natin... sos maria joseph utang na loob huwag na. Kasi walang katapusan pangungusap yan baka mabiktima kapa ng ipako sa cruz.. Simple and meaningful the freedom of expression is a right for anybody. The moral has no meaning it only baffles in so many people's mind gaya nang senado kung anu ano ang mga contention lumalabas sa bibig nila. Ang mga tao na may say yong hindi nakikialam or(nakikiulam) sa unting bagay na pag usapan na walang hanganan....There are more important issue to tackle na dapat pangkarapatang pang tao. Ay naku naman Senado kayo nalang kayo nalang ipako sa cruz kasama yan Fsionel.....yun lang.

Kung tutuusin ang mga imahe naman na kinikilala natin sa Katolisismo ay pawang mga representasyon lamang. Hindi naman yun ang mga tunay na itsura ni Hesus at Maria. At dahil representasyon lang sila, walang magagawa ang sinuman upang sirain ang mga mabuting aral nila. Kung tunay kang Katoliko di mo na dapat hayaan na magpaapekto sa gantong kabalbalan. At, tandaan natin na ang Krus ay instrumento ng torture. Kung tutuusin napaka-grotesque isipin na dumadasal tayo sa isang kagamitan na pampatay. In a way, medyo twisted din ang pag gamit ng imagery ng Catholicism. Food for thought lang. rnrnTOLERANCE WILL ULTIMATELY BENEFIT US ALL.

Hindi ako sarado katoliko para ma offend. Tawang-tawa nga ako nung unang nakita ko sa BANDILA. (Pangalanan na natin. Sila naman talaga nag umpisa eh) :D Pero naiintindihan ko na magalit yung mga gurang na sarado katoliko. Eh syempre, la mo naman dito. Yun nga din, respeto sa bagay na sagrado para sa ibang tao. rnrnYung mga harsh words na pinupuntirya kay Mideo is so off. OVER naman masyado. Kala mo naman na malinis sila.

Exactly, Idol.rnPractice what you preach!rn'Yung simbahan nga simula nung Sunday hanggang next Sunday pinagdarasal to. Eh pag may matitinding calamities ba binibigyan din ng special prayers? Wow lang ha.

ARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?rnrnKala ko rin eh.rnrnrnrnBakit meron HELL kung palagi nalang pagpapatawad? Bakit maraming nakakulong kung palagi nalang pagpapatwad?rn

wendel_14rn2011-08-23 14:39:29rnrnSorry medyo may pag pagka brutal yata yung first comment ko eh. Pero anyway for dapat siya ang ipako sa krus yung lang tapos.rnrnDi ko alam kung sarcastic ka lang o di mo naintidihan ang artikulo na ito.

good job! dahil sa isyung ito, na divert ang atensyon at pansamantalang nalimutan ang isyu na kinasangkutan ng simbahan. ehem mitsubishop scandal. haha!rnrndito sa pilipinas para yatang mas mabigat na kasalanan ang "blasphemy" kesa sa corruption/pagnanakaw, pagpatay, panloloko. tama ba mga religious extremists? :D

pati ang idol kong si F.Sionil nakibaka sa mga pari.. napakalungkot

i agree. hindi dapat mag-init nang ganito ang ulo ng mga tao sa isyung kagaya nito. NAPAKARAMI pang mas importanteng bagay na dapat pagtuunan ng pansin.

mahirap talaga pag nakalaban ang simbahang Katoliko. mabilis mangagat. mali lang ng kinabangga si mideo.

kaya hindi umaasenso ang pilipinas,mas pinagtutuunan ng pansin yung mga bagay na walang kabuluhan.Let the art critcized by the artists,priests give sermons and politicians go to hell..

kudos for mideo for having the balls to express his artistic point of view.rnrnits kinda funny how these "religious" people(or should i say hypocrites?) condemn him na parang sya na ang susunod na iku crucify while the real evil elements (*cough*arroyo's,*cough*ampatuan's) roam freely.rnrn :D

My opinion lang:rn1. Sana hindi na lang pinansin yun. Sikat pa tuloy at mas maraming gustong tuminginrn2. Sayang ang time ng senadorn3. Ang pangit naman! Nakita ko na yung exhibit. Ang pangit. So whether nakakabastos sya or hindi, anong ginagawa nun sa CCP?

we missed you lourd! bkt ngayon klng uli nag post? hehernnwy, regarding mideo cruz... to each its own ika nga nila... mejo madmi na rin ang nasbi sa usaping sining at relihiyon at tlgang mahirap at sensitibo itong paksa.rnrnsa aking pananaw, dapat mas pag tuunan ng pansin ng senado ang mga mas importanteng bagay-bagay at nde mag aksaya ng oras sa mga ganitong bagay... tutal wala na ang exhibit at bahala na si lord kay mideo sa kanyang mapangahas na paglapastangan sa kanyang imahe....rnrn

This Mideo Cruz thing has gone on for son long already... The government and it's allies got what they want, TO SHUT IT DOWN...rnrnI don't get the point of them doing exorcism even AFTER the event... that is plain fanatical!!!rnrnIt seems like the Church and Government are both going backwards.. I feel like we're back in the Spanish era wherein the Church controlled the government...

kung si Kristo nga ay ipinako sa mga kasalanan mong kanyang inako, paano pa kaya sa katulad mong turo ng turo?rn

Tatlong pahina ang artikulong ito pero walang malinaw na katayuan sa isyu. Ang mga tanong ay sinagot ng tanong rin.

Wala pa bang movie offer si Mideo Cruz ? Malaki na ang fan base ni Mideo. Mga politiko, CBCP, matanda at mga kabataan at showbiz narinig na siya, baka pwede ng mag-invest si Manny Villar ?

picture ba talaga ni Jesus yun?rnlong hair ba talaga siya?rnbalbas sarado ba talaga siya?rnsinong nakapag picture sa kanya?rnpauso lang ng Katoliko yang picture ni Jesus na yan...

bakit kaya hindi ganito ang reaksyon ng mga pinoy nung kinanta ni lady g*g* ang JUDAS.rnkung titignan natin, pareho nilang sasabihin na, "bakit di intindihin ang tunay na meaning ng ginawa nila". kahit nga anu pa meaning nian, kung hindi tama ang pag ka express nila e talagang di na iisipin ang meaing.rnim against the both of them. pero bakit kaya hindi ganito ang reaction ng mga tao kay lady gaga. kung susumahin ay mas matindi pa ang mga ginagawa niya?

sana hindi na lang nauso ang salitang joke o kaya hindi na lang pairalin ang sense of humor. sino ba ang nakakaalam ng mabuti at masama? ang hirap biruin ng mga pilipino. nakngpating oh!

my mga bagay at mga kaugalian na ndi nababago ng MODERNONG panahano... So let's respect it nlang...

Sinakyan ang isyu.rnGumawa ng artikulo.rnMas maraming clicks para sa SPOT.phrnMas maraming advertisersrnYan ang tunay na kapitalismornrnCHECK!

...hinde matatapos ang debatehan pag rehilyon ang pinag-uusapan

kung ako si mideo mas matutuwa pa ako kasi alam na halos lahat ng tao sa pilipinas ang art ko. kahit pedicab driver pinag uusapan ang gawa ko. wow achievement yun kung artst ka. yun ngalang d lahat naka intindi. hihi.rn

Let us not justify the wrong doings of other people... One of the best gift that was given to us was the gift of freedom... but let's not over used it. Lahat ng SOBRA ay masama... Ou mdaming ndi magandang nangyayare sa bansa natin... madaming issue (as you Mr Author menstioned) that needs intensive attentions especially by our Government... but why add up to THESE controversies? Tau tau rin ang nag-papahiya sa sarili natin... Ndi porke indi maganda ang nangyayare sa paligid mo, you're excuse to do whatever you want... Again, WHY ADD UP? Instead of helping? Is this what you called freedom of the art? I dnt think so. let's respect each other instead of pulling each other down...

I've read the whole article... all i can say is... "let us not JUSTIFY the wrong doings of other people..." We all know that sh*t happens everyday in our country, may it be in POLITICS or on our own GOVERNMENT... The least thing that we can do it to do what is right and not make things worst... We Filipinos are already shameful of what is happening in our country, so why add up? I guess what I'm trying yo say here is, let's not always play "THE VICTIM". let's do our share and let's stop pulling each other down...

Sa tingin ko, RESPETO ang lesson na makukuha natin mula dito sa pangyayaring to. Respeto sa relihiyon at respeto din sa paniniwala at pananaw ng tao sa paggamit ng sining bilang form of expression.rnrnPero seriously, hindi naman ako sarado katoliko, pero na-offend pa rin ako sa mga ginawa niya. Diba religious items yan na dapat ginagalang ng mga tao regardless kung atheist man sila o hindi. Yun nga lang, OA ang reaksyon ng mga tao. Hindi na dapat pa umabot sa ganito. Pinasara lang dapat or pinatigil. Tapos, TAPOS na. Ganun lang.

irespeto natin ang mga bagay na sagrado sa ilang tao gaya ng pagrespeto rin ng ibang tao sa paniniwala mo o sa "art" mo. huwag mo namang babuyin yung mga bagay na banal sa iba para lang sabihing artistic ka...

Para maintindihan ng ordinaryong tao.. ano ba ibig ipahiwatig ni Mideo dun sa art niyang nilagyan ng kahoy na t*t* at condom yung mga imahe??? Ano???

Only Mideo knows kung anuman ang kanyang layunin nung mga unang araw ng kanyang exhibit. Noong nagkaroon ng ingay, natural lamang na humanap sya ng palusot upang i-justify ang kanyang sining. PARA SA AKIN...wala syang lusot. IPAKO sa krus habang may mga langgam na kumakagat , susugat sa kanyang kalamnan. Budburan ng kalamansi at asin ang mga dugo na aagos sa katawan at pagdaka'y ipalinis sa mga asong kalye ang kanyang katawan. Doon, mapapatawad kita mideo...sa ngalan ng AMA, ANAK at ESPIRITU SANTO...

ngayon, tahasan nang ipinamukha na may pinipili ang "freedom of expression"rnano ang "freedom" kung may limitasyon?rnkahit napakasagwa pa ng likha niya, di siya dapat nakatanggap ng ganoong panghuhusgarnnakakulong ang mga Pilipino sa isang bansang pinapatakbo ng bulok na gobyerno at hipokritong relihiyon

god comanded to make images exodo 25:18-20,1 cronica 28:18-19,exodo28:31,daniel7:9

tomo! very well said.

ARGUMENTO: Akala ko ba ang Kristiyanismo ay isang relihiyon ng pagpapatawad at pag-unawa?rnrnKala ko rin eh.rnrn-done-

tama! ang daming kailangan ayusin at pagtuunan ng pansin, tigilan na nila ang installation na ito na hindi ko tuloy nakita. sayang, baka mas naunawaan ito kung bukas pa.

Sorry medyo may pag pagka brutal yata yung first comment ko eh. Pero anyway for dapat siya ang ipako sa krus yung lang tapos.rn

Tol namiss ka namin! Bakit ang tagal mong nawala?

Shit pagnakita ko yan si Mideo.buti pang barilin lang tapos ibaon ng buhay. oo nga art pero marami na man pwede ilagay bakit yung tinuturing niyang diyos ang binastos. pero para sa kin lang yungrn

di ko kilala si Mideo dati. ngayon kahit sino kilala na siya. rnwell.. natulungan pa sya ng media. (o baka nakasama pa)