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Bishop compares President Aquino to Connecticut shooter because of the Reproductive Health bill
For one Roman Catholic bishop, President Benigno Aquino III is like Adam Lanza, a gunman who opened fire on children and adults at an elementary school in Connecticut over the weekend, if not worse.
Published on: Dec 17, 2012 - 8:29am

For one Roman Catholic bishop, President Benigno Aquino III is like Adam Lanza, a gunman who opened fire on children and adults at an elementary school in Connecticut over the weekend, if not worse.

According to a report by Evelyn Macairan of the Philippine Star, "Batangas Archbishop Ramon Arguelles yesterday said that while a 20-year-old gunman killed 20 children in the US, President Aquino would be killing millions of children with a stroke of a pen if he signs the RH bill into law."

"Our President intends to kill 20 million children with a fountain pen…to sign the RH bill into law," Arguelles said.

The Catholic Church is opposed to passage of the bill, which will make reproductive health services and contraceptives available to poor Filipinos. Critics of the proposed law have said passage of the bill will legalize abortion and will lead to promiscuity.

After Typhoon Pablo hit the southern Philippines, another Church leader, Manila Auxiliary Bishop Broderick Pabillo said the typhoon that left more than a thousand dead, could be a message from God about the RH bill.

For more on this story, log on to PhilStar.com.

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  • Imuthis
    "RESPONSIBILITY CONNOTES A RESPONSEANSWER" THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE FOR SOMETHING ALL TRUSTED TO US.

    HUMANS HAVE ALL EARMARKS OF BEING CREATED SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM THE APES.
    Jan 10 2013 @ 07:42pm     Reply  
  • Alfred Neuman
    Tapos na iyang RH Bill,ano ba kayo? Pagusapan naman yung susunod,DIVORCE BILL, at yung latest TAXATION OF ORGANIZED RELIGIONS!
    Jan 06 2013 @ 11:29am     Reply  
  • Maoism
    Mateo5:21 Narinig ninyo na sinabi; sa mga tao sa una,Huwag Kang papatay;at ang sinomang pumatay ay mapapasa panganib sa Kahatulan:
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    Let's not be concerned,then,about our seeming lack of influence.
    Dec 31 2012 @ 03:54pm     Reply  
  • Padre Damaso
    Mga indio!!! Masusunog ang mga kaluluwa ninyo sa impyerno!
    Dec 30 2012 @ 05:19pm     Reply  
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  • Gabe
    has anyone heard of the duggar family in the usa? despite the us having some sort of rh bill in place, the duggars have 19 or 20 kids. the duggars are firmly rooted to the the religious beliefs of their faith and as their faith does not allow contraceptive hence they have that much kids. it all boils down to this - if one has a firm stance with their church, then the church has nothing to fear about their constituents going astray.

    as with saysomethingtrue's comment. the rh bill is there in place to provide information and resources. it does not force itself to the people. it is the people's choice whether or not they will follow the rh bill. we cannot dictate how people should or should not plan their families.

    and in any case, whether or not the rh bill is in place, do you think we live in a cave? people already have access to these kind of information through the media, internet, through peers and friends. at least with the rh bill in place, there is a source of information that is reliable. why do you and the cbcp focus all your efforts on this bill. why not go after the media and internet? the nation is made up of citizens of different faiths so the catholic church can't go around forcing their beliefs on everyone. isn't this what you call bullying? and isn't it that there is an anti bullying law in place now?
    Dec 27 2012 @ 10:34am     Reply   Hide replies
    • Jesuswasablackman
      The Duggars are the kind of oddball family that makes for reality-TV fodder. Remember Nadya "Octomom" Suleiman? Just to feed her growing brood, she has to take up stripping and release an adult video!!!
      Dec 27 2012 @ 10:58am     Reply  
  • Sariong Arbularyo M.D.
    Enuff talk already! RH Bill is a Law, wanna do something about it? Next on the agenda is Divorce in the Philippines, and the Third is the Taxation of the Church who has grown obscenely wealthy from the sweat of the ignorant Faithful
    Dec 26 2012 @ 12:57am     Reply  
  • saysomethingtrue
    Dear everyone, just check out abortion history in the U.S. They wouldn't have abortion legalized if they didn't promote contraception and sex education. Contraception and sex education only increased the appetite for sex, triggered its frequency and in the end is unable to decrease pregnancies. Unexpected pregnancies increased and abortion increased too. A woman finds out she's pregnant not immediately but at least one month after -- and she continues to take pills while she was pregnant; by the time she realizes she's pregnant, she has already ingested so much pills; she'd be worried (about many things including the possible harm the pills could have done to the baby in the womb) In many instances, she would resort to abortion; at times, even to commit suicide as happened in many countries in the West. Dear everyone, please study and rethink your position.

    Bishop Arguelles is saying what is true. If Pnoy signs the bill, Pnoy would be another Adam Lanza or King Herod or Hitler. Let's stop Pnoy from doing this great harm which harms himself too.
    Dec 21 2012 @ 10:24pm     Reply   Hide replies
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    • nagising na sa katotohanan
      i find it difficult to believe in religious organization talking about saving lives if it is known for:

      1. history's most number of people killed and tortured (more than germany).
      2. promotes killing of muslims by granting indulgence to any catholic who will kill a muslim
      3. spearheading the inquistion.
      4. abusing the filipinos during the spanish era
      5. raping children.

      by the way, hitler is a devout catholic and has been known to enjoy a good relationship with the pope.
      Dec 22 2012 @ 04:38am     Reply   Hide replies
      • pleaseshowproof
        The catholic church has been maligned, and persecuted since day 1 and it should not come as a surprise to us catholics since it is the church that Christ built. In fact Jesus said for us to be happy if we are persecuted in His name. Please tell us the source of your accusations so that we may judge if you are telling the truth or not.
        Dec 25 2012 @ 09:24pm     Reply   Hide replies
        • subversivethoughts
          whoa, are you even sure that it was Jesus Christ who founded the Catholic Church? Jesus founded the Christian church, not the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is founded by Constantine of the Roman Empire, so that the Church may gain alliances to the state/empire which persecuted them and also gain power-which goes against the Christian principle of not meddling in politics. Give me a break. The Catholic Church is far from Christianity, because it has waded in the mud of paganism and worldly politics and is not willing to wash itself.
          Dec 26 2012 @ 04:06am     Reply   Hide replies
          • Cesare Borgia
            True Dat Subversive! mga walang kamuwang muwang ang mga ito! It was Contantine, a pagan emperor who made Christianity official. It was more for POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY because the empire was crumbling. Para Maliwanagan kayo panoorin ninyo ang ongoing series sa TV na BORGIA, mag-si season 3 na, para malaman ninyo kung gaano kabanal at kapuri=puri ang mga Papa sa Vatican!
            Dec 26 2012 @ 03:41pm     Reply  
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    Dec 20 2012 @ 05:22pm     Reply  
  • Isang pinoy
    What did you expect from someone who believes in an immaculate conception? Sex-Ed isn't one of their strongest suits. It all boils down to the Catholic view on sex & sexuality - all of these celibate priests should learn better than to "advice" other people what to do with their private lives.

    Empowering and educating women on their bodies & reproductive health should be one of the top priorities of a society.
    Dec 18 2012 @ 04:53pm     Reply   Hide replies
    • Jesuswasablackman
      Celibate my arse...these priests and bishops can be found wanking to pirated copies of the Twilight movies
      Dec 18 2012 @ 11:03pm     Reply  
  • f.pascual jr
    Why not use those billions to build 19,892 classrooms for 895,140 students, pay salaries of 12,500 teachers for five years, put up 107,142 dwellings for 535,710 Filipinos, pay wages for five years of 12,500 skilled birth attendants credited by the health department for helping reduce maternal deaths?
    Dec 18 2012 @ 02:46pm     Reply   Hide replies
    • subversivethoughts
      ask yourself what is the biggest budget allotment of the government. a large portion of state budget goes to paying debts and military expenses. budget for those are gargantuan compared to the budget for RH Bill. are you f****** kidding me?
      Dec 26 2012 @ 04:08am     Reply  
  • TheBaffeldChurchgoer
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    Sounds sick? I guess their claims are sicker. Talk about using the Lord's name to further their cause.
    Dec 18 2012 @ 02:16pm     Reply  
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  • heterss21
    I think if the Chuch does not stop this absurd behaviour of comparing the President of our country who has done an incredible job so far to a psychopath killer in the U.S then people will start losing their faith in God and the church will be the one to be blamed.
    Dec 18 2012 @ 01:23pm     Reply  
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  • Marlon1217
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    Dec 18 2012 @ 01:49am     Reply  
  • Marlon1217
    This is so st*p*d. The Philippines needs to get their head out of the church's ass. Leave the country while you can.
    Dec 18 2012 @ 01:48am     Reply  
  • RH1
    i'm losing more respect for our bishops everyday.. konti pa at malapit ko nang iwanan ang simbahang katoliko. Naniniwala ako sa Diyos pero onti onti nang nawawala paniniwala ko sa relihiyon ko.
    Dec 18 2012 @ 01:46am     Reply  
  • mylourd
    will those Damaso tell the truth to the public about their alleged sex scandals and corruption inside the Catholic Church? I think they don't just like a corrupt officials that cannot admit their crimes to the public.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:56pm     Reply  
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  • mylourd
    pikunin talaga ang mga Damaso na yan pagkatapos na maiboto ang 3rd and final reading ng RH Bill sa Kamara at Senado. Mga Damaso, tulungan nyo na lang ang mga nasalanta ng bagyong Pablo sa may Mindanao kaysa sa magreklamo kayo tungkol sa RH Bill. Maslalo pa kayong kawawa at ignorante.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:52pm     Reply  
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  • The Pope of Payatas
    WELCOME TO THE 21st Century Pilipinas! Iwanan ang mga bulag at reaksyunaryong right wingers sa DARK AGES, doon sila bagay sa KANGKUNGAN NG KASAYSAYAN!
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:24pm     Reply  
  • pinayNYC
    This is a very strong accusation coming from a Holy person. This is the reason why i stop going to Catholic church, they do not practice what they preach. Padre Damaso is already a past and a history that we shouldn't allow to come back on this era. RH Bill is the best Christmas gift to all Filipina women who suffered long overdue for many century in our patriarchal society. It's time to give them their rights and importance as a human being and not a baby maker machine.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:09pm     Reply   Hide replies
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    • pinoyPH
      In NYC there are 4 abortions for every 10 pregnancies, and contraception is as easy to buy as candy over there. The bishops are right, contraception by weakening the moral fiber of the people using it does not lead to less abortions it actually tends to increase them.
      Dec 25 2012 @ 09:32pm     Reply  
    • pinoyPH
      In NYC there are 4 abortions for every 10 pregnancies, and contraception is as easy to buy as candy over there. The bishops are right, contraception by weakening the moral fiber of the people using it does not lead to less abortions it actually tends to increase them.
      Dec 25 2012 @ 09:34pm     Reply  
    • pinoyPH
      In NYC there are 4 abortions for every 10 pregnancies, and contraception is as easy to buy as candy over there. The bishops are right, contraception by weakening the moral fiber of the people using it does not lead to less abortions it actually tends to increase them.
      Dec 25 2012 @ 09:35pm     Reply  
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  • kenmikaze
    for all Elliots out there (mind, let's just pretend that the first three letters are spelt as ID), the real solution here is not contraceptives, nor being against it. The real solution is education. The gov't nor the the institution which calls itself as "THE CHURCH" should shove to the constituent's mind what is good or not. Give them the choice what to decide on, and let them face the consequence instead of proselytizing what is good or not.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:35pm     Reply   Hide replies
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    • Happyknappy
      I believe the RH bill also includes education, its not all about free contraceptives
      Dec 18 2012 @ 04:18am     Reply  
  • qwertyuiop
    Why can't the CBCP wake up see that it's not 16th century anymore? Not everyone have the same belief as they do and they should stop shoving their religion up people's throat. They're talking about Pres Noynoy potentially killing millions of children where in fact they don't really do anything but whine and praise their pope who is literally sitting on a throne of gold. And is that what priests really do, talking ill about others?
    Dec 17 2012 @ 07:45pm     Reply  
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  • lei
    "...Manila Auxiliary Bishop Broderick Pabillo said the typhoon that left more than a thousand dead, could be a message from God about the RH bill." So you are saying that your god wanted to kill a thousand people during the storm. Then what kind of god is he?
    Dec 17 2012 @ 04:54pm     Reply   Hide replies
    • egdizon
      Who knows the mind of God? But the maybe those people weren't supposed to die if the government spent more money on emergency preparedness instead of this RH bill. The Philippines is like ranked 3rd worst prepared for emergencies and this is not the first typhoon that hit the Philippines.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 05:53pm     Reply  
    • Jay Aggabao
      Claiming to be speaking for God and actually speaking for God are two different things. In this case, the man prolly never read Luke 1: 1-5

      Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

      Pablo has nothing to do with the judgement of God. Connecticut has nothing to with the judgement of God. But unless you repent for your sins, you will perish.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 06:23pm     Reply  
  • BuddyParaiso
    Is THIS, the kind of reasoning and mentality theists have??? Are the Roman Chatolic Church Officials had the same mindset of an 8-year old child???...And we had been under their governance for many, MANY decades???
    Dec 17 2012 @ 04:33pm     Reply  
  • Ace
    Puro kasinungalingan lang naman ang dinidikit nyo eh. Pagpatay sa mga bata wala naman talagang pinagkaiba sa rh bill. Darating ang araw ang abortion magiging legal sa Pilipinas. Sasabihin dapat daw ang pag-aanak ay by choice not by chance, parang ang babae lang ang may karapatan at hindi ang fetus. ed sinn, anong negosyo ka dyan? Ang Simbahan nga ang may pinakamalaking nagagawang mabuti sa mundo, ang ibang churches dyan, born again, INC mga walang kwenta eh. Sa mga RH bill type na batas nagsisimula yan, susunod na talaga ang Abortion diyan. Pagkatapos dahil sa sinisiraan nyo ng todo ang Church dadami ang ibang mga denominasyon, mangyayari dadami ang mga atheists at hindi sila ang magiging pinuno ng bansa kundi ang mga Muslim na organized. Mangyayari gagawing legal ang pag-aasawa ng isang minor de edad 12 pababa sa isang matanda. That's 100% RETARDED. Yan ang gusto nyong mangyari.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 03:55pm     Reply   Hide replies
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    • Meh
      How simple minded of you. Do you resort to stooping that low? Because your beloved "church" is under duress, you resort to bashing other religions who have the sense of mind to support a bill that yearns to help the Filipino people. Would you rather submit hapless children to the poverty that their parents undergo? Would you allow more and more mothers to die just because your preacher said it encourages promiscuity. Abortion is not in the bill. And if it wants to follow then that is another matter entirely. Don't twist the facts. Don't even try reasoning with a sane man. Look at you, spouting all this unproven, irrelevant nonsense. Take your ramblings elsewhere child. The world needs no more of people who think like you.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 08:08pm     Reply  
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  • [email protected]
    This is pure b*llsh*t!! How can you call it killing if there is no life being killed? Catholic sacerdotes and these high priests are twisted, ill-intentioned and real hypocrites. Abortion will happen whether legal or not so better to legalize it and avoid women getting infections and even death. Promiscuity? Yes or yes, teenage hormones will continue to rage and pregnancies will go on due to ignorance and no sex education nor accessible birth control for whoever needs it. The point of the matter is that the Church is shitting in her pants as she will loose the revenue from 20 million families who will eventually baptize these children after they are born. This is the truth and it boils down to money not dogma but rather plain disguised greed!!
    Dec 17 2012 @ 03:54pm     Reply   Hide replies
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    • Correction
      The RH Bill holds that abortion is immoral and should stay illegal.

      Also, your arguments are about as groundless and b*llsh*t-ridden as the ignorant bishops you condemn. Wanna talk about disguised greed?

      Let's say, hypothetically, the government chooses to make contraception readily available to the masses.
      Let's say, hypothetically, that the millions of condoms and birth control medications will be bought from the private sector.
      Let's say, hypothetically, that we live in a country where every single peso spent for the public has an additional two going into the government's coffers.

      Now let's say, factually this time, that the main supporters of this bill from the private sector, are the very pharmaceutical companies and foreign investors that stand to make millions from this bill.

      Stop playing at wisdom, darling. Your st*p*dity is showing.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 07:46pm     Reply   Hide replies
      • mistermagic
        The matter of policy-making is different from that of implementation. You do have a point, but then if we are to look at everything from your point of view, wag nalang tayo magpasa ng kung ano pang batas. Makikinabang lang din naman ang mga corrupt sa gobyerno. correct me if i'm wrong pero yan ata ang punto ng sinasabi mo.
        Dec 17 2012 @ 08:36pm     Reply  
      • Happyknappy
        I believe all the other bills carry the same risk for corruption and misuse. If we were to keep on weighing the risks over the potential benefit I believe no progress will be made though. And more mothers will die out of substandard health care, more children will be born under poverty and possible maltreatment.
        Dec 18 2012 @ 04:29am     Reply   Hide replies
  • ed sinn
    ha ha ha , hihina ang negosyo ni bishop ..... 20 million kaagad ang nde mabibinyagan,mag aabuloy, ikakasal n mamatay ng d namimisahan
    Dec 17 2012 @ 02:57pm     Reply  
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  • TTobserver
    Ridiculous and absolutely asinine comparison to make on the part of the bishop. Better to remain silent and let people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!!!.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 02:56pm     Reply  
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  • Maw
    Shame on you Archbishop Arguelles. Really? You're comparing your deluded issues on the RH bill that concerns the unborn and inexistent, to the murders of thinking, breathing and living children? It's a huge insult to the Connecticut shooting victims.

    Shame on you.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 02:54pm     Reply  
  • churuit
    Nagsalita si Archbishop Emeritus Pedophilia.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 02:27pm     Reply  
  • bagong isip
    Nauunawaan ko na sana yung mga anti-RH. kaso sa kitid ng statement nitong bishop umabot na sa parang ayaw ko na din magsimba.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 02:21pm     Reply   Hide replies
    • Reul
      ako din. ginagawa akong mangmang ng simbahan habang tuloy ang pangmomolestiya ng mga pari sa mga bata.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 03:01pm     Reply  
  • St. Traft
    Instead of saying something positive or hope inspiring about the Connecticut Shooting so it won't happen here in our country, the Bishop instead uses the unfortunate incident to bash the President and the RH Bill.

    That's a whole new low for you, Archbishop Ramon Arguelles. You're an embarrassment to your order. The families of those slain in the incident are grieving and you use the source of their grief to further your biased political agenda against the RH Bill.

    Get out, Bishop. You're a joke and the Catholic Church should be ashamed of you. Your argument is invalid and pathetic at best.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 02:17pm     Reply  
  • St. Traft
    Instead of saying something positive or hope inspiring about the Connecticut Shooting so it won't happen here in our country, the Bishop instead uses the unfortunate incident to bash the President and the RH Bill.

    That's a whole new low for you, Bishop Archbishop Ramon Arguelles. You're an embarrassment to your order. The families of those slain in the incident are grieving and you use the source of their grief to further your biased political agenda against the RH Bill.

    Get out, Bishop. You're a joke and the Catholic Church should be ashamed of you.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 02:16pm     Reply  
  • Chad
    I haven't seen a single good argument why people should say no to the RH Bill. Those anti-RH bill people's minds are so full of f*ck.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 02:04pm     Reply  
  • taenabobomobishop
    - nadapa ako, naku "could be a message from God about the RH bill"
    - natalo si pacman kahit bible preacher na cya, naku "could be a message from God about the RH bill"
    - kumahol yung aso namin, naku "could be a message from God about the RH bill"
    - malamig yung kape na na-inom ko, naku "could be a message from God about the RH bill"
    - pumiyok si regine sa concert nya, naku "could be a message from God about the RH bill"
    - bumigay yung tsinelas kong spartan, naku "could be a message from God about the RH bill"
    Lahat na lang "could be a message from God about the RH bill"!! hoy bishop ano kami, bobo katulad mo! t**nabobomobishop!
    Dec 17 2012 @ 02:04pm     Reply   Hide replies
    • Leon
      So true! OA ng bishop naknampucha.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 02:26pm     Reply  
    • Anon
      Parang pinapalabas ng bishop na ito, pag pro-rh bill ka (with good reasons), like, tatamaan ka ng Diyos ng kidlat kasi pro-rh bill ka. So, just because I'm pro rh-bill, ibig sabihin nito, God will forsake the other aspects of my life even if I'm living well and send me to hell, just because I'm for the rh bill?! This f*ckery.

      Di naman ganyang kakitid ang utak ng Diyos gaya ng mga taong simbahan na yan. For the times I've attended Sunday mass this month, it's always that issue. Takot na takot ang kapari-an na baka mawalan sila ng believers... eh sila din naman dahilan kaya may mga umaalis eh. Gusto nila, umagree ang mga tao sa payo nila. Ibang tao naman la naman pakialam most of the time sa sasabihin ng nasa pulpito.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 03:20pm     Reply  
  • NoToDarkAges
    Salem Witchunters! I am Catholic. I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe in God, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE NARROW MINDED PARANOIA THAT THE CBCP INSTILLS ON US. MILLIONS HAVE DIED IN HISTORY BECAUSE OF PARANOIA IN THE NAME OF GOD. To those who support their paranoia, may you all burn in hell!
    Dec 17 2012 @ 01:54pm     Reply  
  • just-a-thought
    For all the church-bashers and anti-catholics here, name one good thing your "movement" has done for the poor. Do you have any charitable institutions or do you do any charity work in the name of your cause?

    No... I didn't think so...
    Dec 17 2012 @ 01:33pm     Reply   Hide replies
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    • Ian Carandang
      Have you even READ the RH Bill. If you can't even be bothered to read it and see WHY people support it and spend too much time trying to look clever but not really, then you're not worth taking seriously.

      No............ not really........
      Dec 17 2012 @ 01:41pm     Reply  
    • tomas
      are you saying the church should not be criticized because they have charitable institutions and are engaged in ehem---"charity"? now that's logical.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 01:42pm     Reply  
    • f-the-church
      Tell your beloved cult to stop shoving their medieval age beliefs down our throats if you don't want them to be bashed. Do you expect that we'd let them get away with their black propaganda against the bill which aims to impose their beliefs on every Filipinos? I don't think that's gonna happen.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 01:43pm     Reply  
    • pedo bear
      Ever heard of Amnesty International or Doctors Without Borders? These are secular organizations that you probably haven't heard of because they don't blow their horns as much as you do. Now, your move Catholic.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 01:59pm     Reply  
    • ay sus
      hoy tanga! marunong kang mag-google? subukan mo lang para makita na lampas isang milyon ang charitable institutions na hindi katoliko! tatanga-tanga ka na nga co-comment ka pa!
      Dec 17 2012 @ 02:13pm     Reply  
    • akolangnaman
      eh san ba galing yun mga funds for charity works and institution?di ba donation yan..or galing sayo?besides they don't even pay taxes..charity institution has nothing to w/ the topic..
      Dec 17 2012 @ 02:35pm     Reply  
  • ants
    thank you, Bishop Arguelles, for convincing me to finally leave Catholicism. you, sir, are a disgrace. and the gall and hubris to compare something as horrible as the actual murder of children to a piece of legislation that aims to better care for the citizens of our country? the questionable tax exemptions, the fake "church of the poor" b*llsh*t, the absatively money-making private schools, tithes disguised as anything other than a means to gip gullible folks out of THEIR hard owned money... geez. thanks, organized religion.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 12:44pm     Reply   Hide replies
    • Jesuswasablackman
      have we forgotten how the Church hierarchy has allowed convicted child molesters to hop from parish to parish? Don't tell me Pinoy priests have more moral fortitude than their Caucasian brothers...yes, there have been Filipino priests who have figured in shameful, scandalous practices
      Dec 17 2012 @ 02:51pm     Reply  
  • Genuine
    Start out with the Inquisition, and the frayles prove that they are the worst scaremongers in the business. Responsible Parenthood is about saving lives. If the bill doesn't pass in Congress, 14! pregnant women will continue dying everyday in this country because the bishops would rather not educate them, or provide them much-needed healthcare and proper information on the desired number of children that they should have (birth spacing.) IF YOU ARE PRO-RH, YOU ARE PRO-LIFE. The frayles and the anti-RH people, who are in denial and continue to disregard the lives of mothers who are imperilled kasi nga sa nangyayaring anak ng anak taun-taon at halos hindi na maaruga ng matiwasay ang kanilang mga supling, are talibanistic. With their stand, it is impunity on their part.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 12:20pm     Reply  
  • Professional Astroturfers are Gay Atheists (literally)
    1) I am Catholic, but **insert anti-Catholic comments here**, and I support the RH bill because **insert beautiful reasons here**

    2) Put*inang mga bishops yan, damaso, bading, pedophile, mga bobo galing sa dark ages at makikitid ang isip. (or any st*p*d utak condom phrase) **Then insert "I support the RH Bill" at the end of the last sentence**

    Fake grassroots movement. Propaganda. Fake accounts = Real Astroturfing.

    Gumising sa panlilinlang. Huwag magpaloko. Huwag maging utak condom.
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    • Ian Carandang
      I assume you have access to the IP addresses on the ones commenting here then?
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  • defender
    Legislating the RH Bill will indeed result to deaths of infants. Contraceptives are unnatural. It does not stop a woman from ovulating rather it weakens the uterus so that the fertilized ova dies. Abortion in a smaller scale.

    Please post comments that will educate other people. Hindi yung puro bishop bashing lang. Remain objective.
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    • Ian Carandang
      By that logic, EVERYTHING a doctor does to save a life is unnatural. Ever taken an immunization shot? Antibiotics? The "Natural" thing to do would be to "let nature take its course" and let the chips fall where they may. If you happen to die, sucks to be you.

      Unless you're one of those radical loonies who never goes to the doctor, then check your own arguments first.
      Dec 17 2012 @ 12:23pm     Reply   Hide replies
      • k
        haha forgive me for being immature but.. well-played, mr Ian Carandang. burn!
        Dec 17 2012 @ 01:41pm     Reply   Hide replies
      • Defender
        Yes Mr Carandang. Those are unnatural too. That's why people turn to herbal medicine. You appear to be accepting everything that modern medicine feeds you. Even the harmful stuff.

        I seldom go to a doctor because I keep my self well and healthy.

        Again, back to the main argument. RH is against natural law. If you choose those methods, pay for those methods yourself. Why use the tax payers money for contraceptives?

        You should check your own argument
        Dec 17 2012 @ 01:57pm     Reply   Hide replies
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        • Ian Carandang
          This is actually something we can debate now, Mr Defender (May I call you Def?). Good for you.

          If you don't personally believe in Modern Medicine, more power to you. That doesn't mean though that you get to decide that no one ELSE gets to use it either.

          The discussion of how to pay for the RH bill's propositions IS something that needs to be discussed, as our budget is stretched to the breaking point as it is. As to WHY it should be done, I believe the arguments on overpopulation and why it would benefit the country to curb our population growth are easily accessible on the net. I suggest Googling them up and reading them; whether or not you choose to AGREE with said findings is entirely up to you. If you don't, we are at an impasse.

          And as a PERSONAL reason, one that I have witnessed FIRST HAND, there is a sampaguita vendor on my route on the way home. A bright-eyed young girl who was whip-smart, charming was my suki. I respected how she would work hard to get that sale, and by just talking to her I could tell she was a girl with intelligence and wit who would thrive if she wasn't selling sampaguita in the streets every day, 7 days a week, until midnight.

          One day last year, I saw that she was pregnant. Still selling on the street, but with a baby on the way. Did I mention she was only 17? Eventually she gave birth, and went right back on the road to sell again. The light in her eyes was gone now, replaced by having to be a mother far too soon.

          Last week I saw that she was pregnant. AGAIN.

          Two kids, 18 years old, selling sampaguita every night. This is what she has to look forward to now.

          SHE is who the RH Bill hopes to help. Gets?

          Argument checked. And mate.
          Dec 17 2012 @ 02:20pm     Reply   Hide replies
          • Ian Carandang
            *apologies for the eye-straining formatting. I typed it all in with paragraph breaks, but Spot.ph gobbled them all up and replaced them with "nn".
            Dec 17 2012 @ 02:22pm     Reply  
        • eh?
          how can we not do that when this article, is about what the bishop said? labo mo mehnn. or are you simply, like what your name implies, a blind defender? we're all open to a good argument and it's just that he didn't give us one. rather- he mocked all those who died and their families by using their tragedy as an off-tangent, super-forced object lesson. now, if you were to remain objective about this whole thing- based on your argument of the uterus being weakened thus being against women: why are doctors and nurses rallying behind the RH bill? or is your dear bishop, again, more credible than those in the medical profession?

          Oh, and your answer to Mr. Carandang- so now it's no longer about the RH bill. but youre against doctors and the field of medicine now? allow me to be momentarily be immature as we're ROFL right now. you're as delusional and weak as whoever you're defending. mwahahahahahahahahah
          Dec 17 2012 @ 02:59pm     Reply  
      • Novikov
        Note po that we're already talking of two "Natural Orders" here: the universally-acknowledged "Natural Order" and the Church's "Natural Order."
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        • defender
          You're trying to divert the issue to a non-issue. Population should not be decreased but managed. Birth rates are already down. Contraceptives is not what the poor need. They need education, jobs opportunities, access to medical care. None of these are addressed by RH. The poor will remain poor if RH is legislated.

          Contraceptives are harmful. Why spend on it? Why use other people's money. Those who choose to use it should pay for it. RH bill will just waste tax payers money. Contraceptives are already available and even affordable even without RH.

          The sampaguita kid, she does not need RH. She needs education. RH bill won't give her education.
          Dec 17 2012 @ 02:29pm     Reply   Hide replies
          • Ian Carandang
            How is it a non-issue? The effects of overpopulation are being felt NOW. The environment, The Philippines being one of the top sources of migrant labor, crime rates, are all affecting us RIGHT NOW. HOW is it a non-issue?

            using Sampaguita kid as an example. Multiply her by 10,000. Homeless, poor, uneducated people, looking for opportunities in a country that doesn't have enough to give them. Unless you agree with certain senators and want "More OFWS" to "Filipinize the world" in which case, we REALLY are never going to agree.

            And RH **DOES** provide education. By that one statement you betray your ignorance.

            We're done here. I take back what I said about you giving a good argument. You need to be able to say more than just "NO".
            Dec 17 2012 @ 02:42pm     Reply   Hide replies
            • defender
              RH is not the answer to all of these that you raised. People need jobs. How can RH give this? RH will only burden the country because it will use tons of the tax payers' money.

              What happened to the Sampaguita kid cannot be undone. The real answer to her needs are education, food, and shelter. RH cannot provide these.

              Overpopulation is a myth. Manila is over concentrated. If there is good governance everywhere and no corruption, there will be opportunities not only in Manila but even in the provinces. No need to over concentrate here.

              Gov't should focus their time and effort on real solution to poverty. They should review business laws and taxation so that there will be more jobs and better opportunities. Gov't is so focused on an imaginary solution - RH bill
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              • muj
                poverty, corruption, crimes, etc-- aren't those in power right now so-called Catholics? for a majorly Catholic country, we're a disgrace by far. so don't include STUPID and IGNORANT in the list of how the world sees the Philippines right now.
                Dec 17 2012 @ 03:06pm  
              • Ian Carandang
                No one is saying that the RH Bill is the magic bullet that will cure all the country's ills. But there is some very real problems that overpopulation causes. The RH Bill, used in conjunction with other measures, should make a significant inroads into that direction.

                Sex Education -- which again, the RH Bill DOES PROVIDE, no matter how much you say it doesn't -- is an investment into the future. Management of Population will not be instantaneous, it will happen over generations, and we've already put it off for 14 years.
                Why is it that when the Anti-RH people offer solutions it's usually in the form of vague, easy-to-say statements like "population management, stop corruption, more opportunities, make laws" but never really go further than that to provide workable, pragmatic real world solutions? As imperfect as the RH bill is (and I will be the first to admit that) it is a REAL step, with a REAL plan in place. What has the Anti-side provided except threats of Moral Decay and a Modern Day Sodom and Gomorrah?

                That trick didn't work for Mitt Romney and his taxation "plan", it's not going to work for you. So far, the most concrete arguments you've given are "Modern Medicine is unnatural" (dubious, and admitting that you DO -- 'seldom' not 'never' -- go to a doctor, hypocritical) and "The RH Bill does not provide education (LIE).
                Dec 17 2012 @ 03:06pm  
              • defender
                You said it yourself. It is not a magic bullet. It means it won't work. It will not solve problems now. Actually not only now but also in the future. This is the reason why no to RH.

                What we need is good governance. Programs and not spins. This is the solution that the gov't is not willing take yet it is very tangible.

                Initial cost of RH is projected at around 3 Billion contraceptives alone. What a waste. Gov't should be using a budget that big elsewhere.
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  • wangbadan
    IF churches would allow the unprivileged ones to live iand share their private, sacred and holy sanctuary then that would be fair enough but then again priests and bishops are all douchebags
    Dec 17 2012 @ 12:10pm     Reply  
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  • why
    CHURCH. WHAT R U DOING. CHURCH. STAHP.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 12:06pm     Reply  
  • Better Life
    Mga sarili nyo lang iniisip nyu!!! Subukan nyo kayang mag asawa at magkaroon ng Pamilya! Ginag*g* nyo po mga tao.. di porkit mga Bishops kayo paniniwalaan namin kayo. Pati kami naaapiktohan kasi bakit daw nasa relihiyon kami ng mga p*t* peteng mga tanga!
    Dec 17 2012 @ 12:02pm     Reply  
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  • sharpnote
    Go home bishop! . . . you're drunk
    Dec 17 2012 @ 12:00pm     Reply  
  • Better Life
    Hahay! di pa naka recover oh! Tanggapin nyu nlang kaya!! Please ACCEPT and ADJUST!

    maraming mabubuntis=maraming bata=maraming bibinyagan=maraming pera=maraming mamamatay=maraming pera.
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  • GORHBILL
    Abortion is an artificially induced termination of pregnancy for the purpose of destroying an embryo or fetus. Contraception is the prevention of pregnancy from being a consequence of sexual intercourse. Therefore, if there is no pregnancy, there can be no abortion. But anti-RH groups keep chanting the mantra of “abortion” or “abortifacient.” - Miriam
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    • juls
      this is what ive been trying to explain to the idiots that i know that are anti-rh bill. this bill is for CONTRACEPTION! not for abortion!..dumb idiots...gaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!! their idiocy makes me question their intelligence
      Dec 17 2012 @ 09:12pm     Reply  
  • The Pope of Payatas
    Wow! this is scraping the bottom of the barrel! First let's make an accounting, HOW MUCH IS THE CHURCH BANK ACCOUNT AT BPI ? HOW MUCH ARE YOU SENDING THE VATICAN ANNUALY? HOW LARGE ARE THE FRIAR LANDS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY? How much are you giving to the Poor? IT"S TIME TO GIVE UP THE FRIAR LANDS and give it to the poor for Mass HOUSING, GIVE HALF OF YOUR BILLIONS TO THE POOR TO GENERATE EMPLOYMENT, MAKE A MORATORIUM OF YOUR ANNUAL QUOTA TO THE VATICAN AND DONATE IT TO THE VICTIMS OF TYPHOON PABLO...YOU HEARD ME RIGHT MSGR! LET"S WALK THE TALK! OR ELSE!
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  • Pie
    LOL NO
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:54am     Reply  
  • ajuperez
    What is most pathetic is that you guys believe the news hook line and sinker. You guys can't even distinguish what is true from what is a spin. Why are reports like this timed during crucial dates like today's 3rd reading? Unbelievable people, all of you.
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  • m0ja
    Yeah right... Said by a Bishop of the most Foolish and Hypocritical religion in the face of the planet.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:30am     Reply  
  • Joe
    this is pathetic. without reproduction health care, lalong hihirap ang mahihirap. this is the "church" keepinig the poor on their places. para lalaping ang mga mahihirap sa kanila at mag mumukha silang mabait.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:30am     Reply  
  • killallpriests
    i think all priests should be shot!!!
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:24am     Reply  
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  • muwu
    Are we really surprised, after they pulled the same stunt with typhoon pablo?
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:10am     Reply  
  • Lito Pascual
    LOL,
    I mean these people IS NOT, the church. Sorry for the miss!
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:02am     Reply  
  • Lito Pascual
    LOL,
    The Church is not the Bishop, (or the priest, cardinal or whatever). Likewise, these people is the church. We go to church not because of these people, but because we believe in Someone up there. Hwag natin Siyang idamay, please
    Dec 17 2012 @ 11:01am     Reply  
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  • Ian
    "Our President intends to kill 20 million children with a fountain pen…to sign the RH bill into law," Arguelles said. - Well, the pen is mightier than the sword.

    After Typhoon Pablo hit the southern Philippines, another Church leader, Manila Auxiliary Bishop Broderick Pabillo said the typhoon that left more than a thousand dead, could be a message from God about the RH bill. - Might I point out that the typhoon also killed people who were ANTI-RH... I'm just saying...
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:59am     Reply  
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  • Anon
    Hut**na, lahat na lang ba kailangang i-relate sa RH Bill?! Wag nang isingit yung nangyari sa Connecticut, kasi magkaibang-sitwasyon ito sa RH Bill hoopla. Maawa naman sa mga namatayan ng anak dun.

    Get your brains straight, Bishops and priests! My faith matters, but you're just giving the Church a bad name with your twisted logic.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:52am     Reply  
  • LOL
    This is why I don't go to church anymore. :)
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:51am     Reply  
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  • Blah
    Prudence in words and in actions you don't live by the title that was ascribed to you, Sir.... Imbis na di na kayo inuulan ng batikos inginungudngod nyo po ung mukha nyo sa putikan.....
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:51am     Reply  
  • Lito Pascual
    Before anything else, let me clarify that I am a Catholic, since birth, and would remain the same. Although I may not be as devoted or as fanatical a Catholic as some others are.

    However, I believe that the statement of Bishop Arguelles borders on hypocricy and insensitivity to the belief and opinion of other people, much more a president.
    Did Bishop Arguelles know that there are already countless children, born and unborn babies and mothers who have died because of lack of access to meaningful reproductive health program?
    As what is happening now, the Church is vehemently opposing (at all cost) the Reproductive Health Program of the government but DO NOT offer an alternative. It is very basic that if you are opposing to something, you must offer an alternative.
    I respect the Church' view on the issue, but at least they should offer something to address the problem rather than plainly saying no.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:50am     Reply  
  • Charlie09192
    I wish I could put a swift choke-hold on you, Bishop. Just shut up, shut the f-ck up. Runnin', runnin', runnin', runnin' your mouth. Why don't you just shut up?
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:38am     Reply  
  • FONZI MARQUEZ
    Hoy bishop. Umayos ka. Nakakahiya ka sa Diyos mo. Ano to, self-sabotage?
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:31am     Reply  
  • Huh
    That Archbishop needs to shut up.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:19am     Reply  
  • pedo bear
    scumbag brainwashing bishops!
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:09am     Reply  
  • Jouhn Paul
    Go sit on a pineapple bishop.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 10:07am     Reply  
  • Ian Carandang
    Stay klassy, Bishop.
    Dec 17 2012 @ 09:43am     Reply  
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