You guys are barking on the wrong tree never less an article. The whole point of the article is the statement made by the churchman that Filipinos who voted pro RH bill politicos lacks maturity. Who gave him the right to call these majority of people as such? Sure he is bound by the so called freedom of speech to say that at least to a few. But to advertise it in media to be read by all is pure arrogance. he should know better.

Yung isa journalist daw eh puro "wrong grammar ka " ang atake!

This happened last week. After election, a Channel 2 reporter talked about those showbiz personalities who won and those who did not make it. Her closing statement was, "Patunay lang na ang mga Filipinong botante ay matatalino at hindi na basta-bastang bumoboto ng mg artista"

What a dumb JOURNALIST!Mas maraming nanalong artista kaysa sa natalo.

The Philippines has the freest press in Asia, my ass.TOTOO NAMAN!

"Just so you know, it’s very impolite to use the derogatory term “ret***”. The same we shouldn’t use the words “ni**er” for people of african origin, and “fag***” for people who have a different orientation."

TAPOS

"you’re basing your beliefs on something you saw on youtube? That’s like sharing information you saw from a tabloid."

tsk tsk! politically correct kuno, pero magje-generalize na lahat ng impormasyon na makikita sa youtube e hindi--ehem!--credible dahil mala tabloid kuno. wag ganun ser/mam, taboid man yan o broadsheet may mapupulot pa rin dun=)

@rhine - DEBATE? ok ka lang? di mo nga maipost totoong pangalang mo anlakas ng loob mong sabihing DEBATE to? e comments section lang naman to para sa article na binasa. unless marami kang oras sa kamay mo (malamang ikaw oo) para pumunta sa internet at magdunungdunungan, on di sige gawin mo.salamat tanda, pero diko kelangan payo mo. pwe!

Lack of maturity as well for the church to judge those who oppose the RH Bill... Let us remember the Church has their own issue to settle like the molestations done by the priest all over the world... It was confirmed by the Pope, and based on reports very reliable reports that they paid for the victim to be silent and hide the priest who committed sins. Don't be Hypocrite!!! Settle your issues first before you meddle with government issues!!!!

Just get the he'll out of my Fallopian tube. Period.

@sg,
I'm not saying that we can't control our libidos, sure we can. But the Church is being too unrealistic in its approach. Sure, I believe in their: celibacy before marriage, sex inside marriage, etc. But by & large, can all the Filipinos particularly the young with raging hormones? C'mon....

Absalom, I disagree with your latter statements. On the contrary, I agree with the Church in the sense that human beings shouldn't act on their bodily appetites. That topic can merit a whole essay but let's not go that far. It's not a matter religion, but more of philosophical anthropology. Human beings are separated from animals because we have rationality (Even Aristotle calls us rational animals), which prevents us from giving in to our instincts and appetites completely. We can't just keep doing the act because it is in our biological desires. Because basically, we're not animals.

Again, I have no issue with the Church advocating certain beliefs such as banning condoms, and I have other reasons why I'm against the RH Bill. I'm just irked by the statement they made.

@sg,

You were asking why I consider the Church a threat to National Security?
Well, I consider ANYBODY/ANYTHING that undermines and threathens the well-being of our citizens a security threat. And the church certainly qualifies. You ask why? Because of their WARPED SENSE of IDEA REGARDING HUMAN SEXUALITY. It's their abysmal ignorance regarding this that inadvertently drives us down the ROAD TO PERDITION! Consider what they are prescribing: NO USE OF CONDOMS & OTHER FORMS OF ARTIFICIAL BIRTH CONTROL DURING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE. Do you get the implications? It's like playing Russian ROULETTE.
What about those deadly viruses and other STD-related disease? what about our galloping population growth, particularly among the masa who breed like rats ? The church confuses human sexuality with the likes of lower animal forms.
Animals cannot copulate for 365 days. They only have a rut period or a mating season, and after that, they are no longer interested in sex. The church should address theie spiel to animals which is appropriate because they only copulate strictly for preservation of the species. Compare that to humans. Theoretically, humans can copulate for 365 days a year ( even with menstruation). And for humans it's more for pleasure rather than procreation ( why do you think the female genitalia has a clitoris?)But the church rejects this biological facts and insists on their dogma, which runs counter to common sense ang govt' population program.
Isn't that something subversive?

@nolan, my sentiments exactly.

@Panggulo
It's called a debate. You deem them as mayabang because you probably can't contribute something good. By the way, you're basing your beliefs on something you saw on youtube? That's like sharing information you saw from a tabloid.

Just so you know, it's very impolite to use the derogatory term "ret***". The same we shouldn't use the words "ni**er" for people of african origin, and "fag***" for people who have a different orientation. Learn from this, bata.

wow! reading the thread is more interesting than the issue at hand... what a read to start my day. this is 100% better than coffee! good job guys!

Its okay I guess to molest little boys but not okay to be responsible about sex. msgr please tell that to the starving kids that proliferate all over the country just because the church says its a sin to be sexually responsibe. you cannot stop people from having sex - at least be mature about it and take charge. good luck with having birth control via the "natural way" as mandated by the clergy.

Fight? oh, that's so juvenile. and disrespectful at times :D

What's the point of disagreeing, if you're not being disagreeable? Fight, I say!

Without the Church, we would still be under MARCOS! Under them, we would not have the opportunity to experience profit-driven journalism. Instead, we would have government-controlled journalism!

Thank you, Ige, for the link. Tulad nga ng sinasabi ko, we should disagree without being disagreeable. we should listen to views contrary to ours and not get royally pissed off.

Anyway, pare-pareho naman tayo ng opinion: the Church sucks.

I wish the CBCP will just shut up about reproductive health they did not give a single centavos to help the poor who has too many children. I think they are the one who is immature and cannot grow with time. It's better they should go out and check their surrounding. Why not check some of the private school the priest run they have the most expensive tuition fee in the metro

it's so shameless to ... be a catholic...... super pakialamero ...... SEPARATION OF THE CHURCH AND STATE ....T_ _ _ InA wala kung gusto niu magsama sama kau sa vatican

"conflict with the Church’s stance"....this is crap ............ GO to vatican and plant condoms

the fact that pinoys chose re-electionists who are pro RH bill shows that our choices are indeed issue oriented..i mean WTF, why not criticize those who voted for the effin artistas back into the senate??

only @igeramos' commment made sense.

@Absalon: I believe that what you have mentioned are more of components of human security (as opposed to the traditional elements of security that blitzkrieg was mentioning), which is equally important for holistic national security. But I'm still interested in your reasons as to why you think that the Catholic Church is a threat to this.

I get where your coming from with your negativity towards the institutions of society, but some good vibes are always more than welcome. :) It isn't completely their fault they're dysfunctional. And in all fairness to them, they're trying.

o yung mayayabang jan sagot na! hahahaha! kala mo ke gagaling e antatapang lang naman dahil di magkakaharap. nakakatatawa kayo lahat=)

nakita ko lang sa youtube: arguing in the internet is a lot like the special olympics. even if you win, you're still retarded.

Some helpful hints when posting comments. I love to share this with you.

http://www.yeawedo.com/netiquette.htm

@sg,

Negative views on our prominent institutions? is it palpable? obvious? of course I'm negative! who wouldn't be? We used to be the second richest country in Asia ( second to Japan)in the 50s. Our other Asian neighbors look to us with awe & envy. Today, where are we? competing with Somalia? Bangla Desh? Ethiopia? And who is to blame? of course our institutions!

We might not be on the same page about national security. To me, national security means that the citizens have enough food to eat, safe, educated, well-informed, from cradle to the grave medical care, in short, as rich and wealthy as our Asian neighbors like Singapore,Malaysia, South Korea etc...If a nation is IMPOVERISHED,it lacks national security. Of course the traditional meaning is still there....

Since yabangan na eto, let me say my piece...

As a former graduate student of an imported, overpriced international MA in mass communication (jejejeje!), I believe that the Philippine media, in the name of so-called objectivity, has given the Catholic Church far too much power by listening and giving voice to whatever crap they would want to say. At a certain point, the media has got to recognize this fact: the Catholic church in the country no longer exerts any power over the populace. There are good Catholics who have used the pill and believe that what the country needs is for people to stop breeding like rabbits.

I have ceased to believe that objectivity should be practiced by the media. I'm all for taking sides, and for espousing causes which would greatly benefit the people. Objectivity, one of my favorite academics, makes the media appear disinterested to the public. And from an economic standpoint, it's not very profitable.

I, thank you. Bow.

So to you, a group of individuals voicing out their opinion on a particular matter is subversion? Moreover, a society without a law similar to the RH bill is doomed to a fate of chaos and lawlessness? I guess that makes the Vatican City one of the most chaotic societies in the world, since they do not have such a legislation in place. How could we have been so blind to that reality?! GASP! I mean, it makes perfect sense! The Vatican City's crime rates are off the charts! (insert: tons of sarcasm)

There's a huge difference between reading between the lines, and over exaggerating.

I no longer expect you to answer the questions I have raised in this post, and in the last. It was a mistake to feed an internet troll.

Absalon: You have such a negative view of the prominent institutions in our society. Media as dumbing our society, education "stinking", and the Church as creating an army of zombies. Out of curiosity, could you explain to me why you think the Catholic Church is an issue of national security? We seem to have different.. conceptions on what national security entails.

@blitzkrieg: YABANG!!!! Although I do agree, even the Bible says and I quote "And He said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." (Luke 20:25). I don't see anything wrong with the Church advocating something they feel strongly about, but to call the voting populace immature on mere basis that it does not agree with their beliefs. They have to remember that each individual is given the freedom to think on their own.

@danburst,
Okay, I'm sorry for disrespecting your profession. Still,you gotta admit that these media outfits particularly the TV Broadcast industry is part to be blamed in the DUMBING OF OUR SOCIETY ( our education system stinks too!)
and thanks for looking out for my grammar too!

@blitz,
I have to spell it out for you again? the mere refusal of the church against the population program is some sort of SUBVERSION already. The implication is they are entirely clueless that their refusal will bring about a CHAOTIC/LAWLESS/DYSTOPIAN Society.
In Reading, you gotta read between the lines...

And at 23, huwag kang masyadong mayabang at nagdu-dunongdunongan at wala kang pupuntahan!

Sana naman po, kung sinasabi ninyo na kayo ay nasa tamang edad at pag-iisip na, hindi na kayo magbabangayan dito. Sa pag-aaway niyong yan, sino ba ang mananalo at mapapatunayang siya ay mas matalino o magaling sa isa?

It is the Catholic Church, not the voters, who is immature!

to CBCP - to call the people, collectively or otherwise, immature simply because they go against what you opined was "right"....is immaturity in itself.

how about the hopeless fanaticism during holy week? how about the belief that you will stay as sinful unless you confess you confess to a priest? how about the sexual abuses? how about those who take the vows of poverty and chastity, only to practice the exact opposite?

the list can be endless. the names with which you can brand someone can be endless too. it has always been holier-than-thou, me-better-than-you. In the end, who can really tell who's going to heaven, or not?

don't feed the trolls.

Filipino voters lack maturity...ROFL.

Hats off to the media people who feel they have to report every single blip from the CBCP. I feel so f*ck*ng informed and my day is complete thanks to the ever flowing sources of yellow journalism.

@Absalom
So to you, a mere opinion of a member of the clergy constitutes reality? Nowhere in the article does it state those figures you claim. Plus, you said "the church wants it to double to 200 million?" Not only does this statement lack logic, but also lacks truthfulness. Again, those magic numbers you came up with are nowhere to be found. Why would the church want more "zombie" Filipinos? If you understood the article correctly, they are disturbed by the "immaturity" of our people. I'm also surprised you started blabbering about communists and other armed separatists, even if they have nothing to do with the argument.

I have so much respect for the military and people in the field of national security. If you belong to either industries, I am very surprised (and disturbed).

By the way, I am 23. Yes, someone probably a lot younger than you are just humiliated you.

@Absalom, clearly you lack the necessary comprehension skills to appreciate what I am saying.
I pity the fact that you're too shallow to fully understand the functions and purpose of the industry.

Resorting to douchebaggery will get you nowhere. And obviously, there is no point in reasoning with you.

@blitz,

Do I have to spell it out for you why the Church constitutes one of the biggest threats to our NATIONAL SECURITY? a 100 million DUMB,HUNGRY,ILLITERATE,ZOMBIE FILIPINOS doesn't constitute a national security threat? and the church wants it to double to 200 million? So you think only the Communists/leftists/Joema are the security threats? How old are you anyway?

@danburst,

Are you one of the CORPORATE SLAVES working in one of these giant media outfits,
? then F__CK you TOO!
Hard Work is one thing, but Dumbing an entire generation is another. Do check your grammar too, Mr.Strunk & White!

@Absalom
How is this matter related to National Security? You need to justify your statements because they make no sense and sound like something a 16 year old would say.

Anyway, I hate it when the Church meddles excessively in politics. Does the word "secularism" not mean anything anymore? They shouldn't meddle in politics, much like the same way the State does not meddle in religious dogma. I'm not saying these people cannot voice out their opinions. I mean, they are citizens of this country. But if they voice out their opinion, they should voice it out as citizens/as Filipinos, not as Priests or other members of the clergy. In interviews, they shouldn't say "The Church does not support....", rather, they should say "I do not support...".

One more thing @Absalom, learn to distinguish news from entertainment when you criticize the Philippine Media. What I'm getting is, you are generalizing the different media based on their value to the reader/listener/audience.

Do you get dumb from watching ANC's Storyline? Or do you get dumb watching "reality" shows and taking them as they are?

Do you get dumb reading Conrado De Quiros? Or do you get dumb reading tabloids and believe that crime and the misfortune of others is but a story?

The thing is @Absalom, it is easy to point your finger at the media because it is the obvious source of information and entertainment. But once you turn-off the TV and fold your newspaper, it is still upon the person, his/her family, friends or teachers on how to make sense of what this irresponsible BS media feeds him/her.

@Absalom

As a journalism graduate, I take offense with what you said. Journalism is hard work. As much as the media outfits that you mentioned are owned by private people, journalism as an industry is guided by ethics not by their owners' money.

If we're not doing our job properly as a watchdog for the country, we probably shouldn't exist. But we do exist because as information providers, we are able to do our job well - without bias.

PS Please do check your grammar.

@pinoyrocks,

You are right on the Money! Philippine Media is one of the biggest culprit of why we are producing a DUMB GENERATION! ABS-CBN, GMA, Inquirer,Star,etc. they are all private VESTED Interests, with no interest in NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT. Their lame excuse is IN JOURNALISM, WE TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE IN OUR REPORTS ! BS! DOUBLE BS!

Every time I see news articles that start with "Bishop is against he government's blah blah blah" or The CBCP said that blah blah blah" it eminds me how useless and immature the Philippine media is.

On the contrary Monsignor, the electorate is slowly becoming mature after centuries of being hoodwinked by the Church! It's the likes of you who constitutes a THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY, for espousing contrary views in the INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY!
YOU ARE A SECURITY THREAT and therefore should be eliminated! LIFE IMPRISONMENT!